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Valve "played capitalism so well they broke it" and now Steam can never be replaced, former Epic dev says: "I don't think this is fixable" (www.gamesradar.com)
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[–] 1 point 4 days ago (10 children)

Baseless assumption on your part.

You mean the current enshitification due to AI isn't happening on Steam... Baseless!? Please

Steam doesn't force retail exclusivity.

They don't have to, they control the market. They are definitely guilty of price fixing though preventing other storefronts from offering better prices.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (9 children)

    You mean the current enshitification due to AI isn't happening on Steam... Baseless!? Please

    How do you read someone talking about how people in the comment section are so enamoured with Steam that they will ignore if they become way worse overnight, and somehow think they're talking about this other matter entirely?

    They don't have to, they control the market.

    They didn't even when there wasn't a market to control.

    They are definitely guilty of price fixing though preventing other storefronts from offering better prices.

    False. Minimum pricing is a pretty common retail policy and Steam's specifically only applies to where ever Steam keys are distributed.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

    Baselessly defending Steam I see.

    They control over 70% of the Market which is considered a monopoly even in the more stringent federal courts.

    False.

    Oh God another Steam key propagandist. The Steam Key thing was debunked years ago and not what anyone is currently talking about. Steam is on record in court lying on the stand about this. If it is "industry standard" why lie? Simply put, they know they engage in price fixing and parity to control the market.

    It is clear you have not studied this.

    https://www.rainintelligence.com/blog/price-parity-mfn-clause-antitrust

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago* (7 children)

    Baselessly defending Steam I see.

    Considering you came in here arguing about something nobody said, I don't think you have the best idea of what other people are saying.

    They control over 70% of the Market which is considered a monopoly even in the more stringent federal courts.

    What is this disagreeing with in my comment?

    The Steam Key thing was debunked years ago and not what anyone is currently talking about. Steam is on record in court lying on the stand about this

    Okay, show where.

    It is clear you have not studied this.

    It's an opinion article about the complaint written from arms length, and it covers both the arguments for and against from that disconnected perspective.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    Considering you came in here arguing about something nobody said

    I made a statement that you have not been able to refute.

    What is this disagreeing with in my comment?

    It is a statement of fact

    Okay, show where.

    Show that you are using some old pro steam propaganda that is unrelated to what is going now? Hard pass.

    It's an opinion article

    Everything is pretty much an opinion. I will pick the side of lawyer's opinions based on evidence and facts. As I said, you have not studied this. You have not read the testimony.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago* (5 children)

    I made a statement that you have not been able to refute.

    Because I don't have any reason to refute the notion of AI games being invasive. I'm not here baselessly defending Steam. And it is still not what anyone was talking about.

    It is a statement of fact

    Without point or purpose?

    Show that you are using some old pro steam propaganda that is unrelated to what is going now? Hard pass.

    No, show those records you say exist. It doesn't matter what I'm operating from.

    Everything is pretty much an opinion. I will pick the side of lawyer's opinions based on evidence and facts. As I said, you have not studied this. You have not read the testimony.

    You don't seem aware about half of what that opinion piece says. It's not even factually rich, it's pretty high level consideration of the complaint. There's no testimony here, or mention of one. I've studied it more than you have it seems.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago* (4 children)

    Because I don't have any reason to refute the notion of AI games being invasive. I'm not here baselessly defending Steam. And it is still not what anyone was talking about.

    You claimed there was no enshitification. This is not true. Steam is wrestling right now with their permissive system. While I truly do like that anyone can put their games on the platform they are facing a deluge of low quality AI games that threatens to choke out Indy developers.

    Without point or purpose?

    If you are being obtuse here I understand, if not then I am actually worried you might be incapable of connecting the dots. Steam is a monopoly that has already enshitified the market. The reason that there is not more competition is because of their practices.

    No, show those records you say exist. It doesn't matter what I'm operating from.

    Show the record that Steam Keys is an old talking point that is not applicable to what I am saying. You need to think a little harder here.

    You don't seem aware about half of what that opinion piece says. It's not even factually

    Please, you have not studied this at all. If you are interested you can look it up and read the testimony like I already have. I was once on Steams side and I have thousands of Steam games. I read the evidence and it is clear they have damaged the market.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (3 children)

    You claimed there was no enshitification.

    How did you get this from telling someone nobody is ignoring Steam's issues as much as that person said they were? Even my last comment says the opposite of "there is no enshittification".

    If you are being obtuse here I understand, if not then I am actually worried you might be incapable of connecting the dots. Steam is a monopoly that has already enshitified the market. The reason that there is not more competition is because of their practices.

    I was asking you to connect the dots because this isn't related to anything I said. It's unclear why you felt the need to bring this up since it's not in dispute.

    Show the record that Steam Keys is an old talking point that is not applicable to what I am saying. You need to think a little harder here.

    Asking for those records you said exist is not relevant to you saying it's all on record? Seems like you're hoping I think about this less, not more. It's starting to seem like you lied about this.

    Please, you have not studied this at all.

    This accusation would hold more water if you actually argued about what it says instead of Gish galloping elsewhere. Again, that article says more than you seem to realize.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    You said it was a baseless assumption but it is clear it is already enshitified and people don't care and still have positive sentiment. That is not a baseless assumption as I pointed out with examples. I am not sure why you are having a hard time with this.

    You were clearly disputing his attribution that Steam is a monopoly. You even said retail exclusivity when that is not what he said in order to deny they were a monopoly. You accuse me of bringing random things when you did it to begin with which I pointed with examples. Once again, why are you having a hard time with this.

    I don't have to accuse. I know you have not read about this. I know you have not examined the testimony of the many court cases. I know you are full of it. Gish Gallop my ass.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago (1 child)

    You said it was a baseless assumption but it is clear it is already enshitified and people don't care and still have positive sentiment.

    You still don't know what the original statement was.

    You were clearly disputing his attribution that Steam is a monopoly.

    LOL I'd never argue that. Steam is a textbook natural monopoly.

    You even said retail exclusivity when that is not what he said in order to deny they were a monopoly.

    You don't know what retail exclusivity is.

    You accuse me of bringing random things when you did it to begin with which I pointed with examples. Once again, why are you having a hard time with this.

    Its random because its not relevant to what was actually said. The hardest time here seems to be you trying to figure out what other people have said.

    I don't have to accuse. I know you have not read about this.

    You literally have given zero indication you've read your own link.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

    You still don't know what the original statement was

    Please reread it and try again.

    LOL I'd never argue that. Steam is a textbook natural monopoly.

    Glad we can agree.

    Its random because its not relevant to what was actually said.

    I am not even sure where you are going with this anymore.

    You literally have given zero indication you've read your own link.

    Did you want to discuss something from it? I can't tell.

    Edit: Oh I get it now, you expect me to do the research for you? The testimony is in several places and I don't feel like doing the leg work I already have. Cheers!

    Wolfire Games v. Valve Corporation antitrust lawsuit if you actually cared.

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