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Let's examine that summary:

North Korea is a totalitarian hereditary dictatorship with a comprehensive cult of personality around the Kim family.

"Totalitarian" in this instance means "unitary economy," as in nearly the entire economy is publicly owned, ie socialist. They use the word "dictatorship" because it's a unitary economy as well, even though KJU has less authority than Donald Trump does, or any European head of state. They use hereditary because KJU's father and grandfather both had positions in government, but they have had largely different positions. They use the phrase "cult of personality" because the Kims are highly revered in the DPRK, but they will rarely use those phrases to describe leaders like FDR, Churchill, George Washington, etc who had and have similar reverance.

Amnesty International considers the country to have the worst human rights record in the world.

This is correct, in that Amnesty International does believe this. Amnesty International is a UK-based propaganda outlet, essentially, though one that has a bit more of a strict adherance to truth than New York Times or BBC.

In 2015, Amnesty published the report titled "Unlawful and Deadly: Rocket and mortar attacks by Palestinian armed groups during the 2014 Gaza/Israel conflict" describing human rights violations during the 2014 Gaza War.[27] The scholar Norman Finkelstein, in Gaza: An Inquest into Its Martyrdom writes that the report disproportionately focused on the actions of Palestinian armed groups while under-reporting and under-emphasizing the scale and context of Israeli military actions.

Finkelstein criticised the report for its heavy reliance on Israeli sources and a narrative which downplayed Israeli actions while highlighting those of the Palestinian armed groups. By focusing on the Palestinian armed groups' use of unguided rockets, Finkelstein writes that the report failed to adequately address the asymmetry of power between Israel and Gaza's armed groups and the resulting disparity in the impact of their respective offensives. As a particular example, the report describes the Hamas arsenal without citing sources for these claims:[28]: 242 

The majority of Israel's 8.3 million people, and all 2.8 million Palestinians in the occupied West Bank... are now within range of at least some of the rockets held by Palestinian armed groups in the Gaza Strip

In short, they frequently get criticized for western bias.

Officially, North Korea is a communist state, and describes itself as a socialist state which holds democratic elections.

The DPRK is indeed a socialist state, with democratic elections based on approval voting.

However, outside observers have described the elections as unfair, uncompetitive, and pre-determined.

This is entirely unsourced on the Wikipedia article, leaving us to revisit the election article. Here's what they say:

The elections have been variously described as show elections or a political census.[17][18] Seats are uncompetitive as all candidates are chosen by the Democratic Front for the Reunification of Korea.[3][2][4] Because of the near 100% turnout, elections double as unofficial censuses. The inminban neighborhood watch-style organization reportedly watches the elections to identify and investigate no-shows.[7]

The source for "show elections" is New York Times and NK News, both propaganda outlets and not scholarly research.

South Korean news reporter, Dae Young-kim, claims that there are separate boxes for "no" votes, where "nobody dared to put his or her ballot".[19]

Sensationalized editorializing from a South Korean reporter describing the fact that you can disapprove candidates as a scary thing.

According to Roger Cavazos, a retired US army lieutenant-colonel, voting against the official candidate, or refusing to vote at all, is considered an act of treason, and those who do face the loss of their jobs and housing, along with extra surveillance.[19][20]

So the literal US millitary, the same one that committed genocide against Korea and is colonizing the lower half today, is describing it as such.

Several North Korean defectors have corroborated the danger voting against the official candidate or abstaining from voting supposes.[21][22][23][24][25][26]

Defector testemony is often forced under threat of torture, incentivized with huge money, and defectors are largely jobless. The Wikipedia article on media representation of the DPRK paints defector testemony as sensationalized and unreliable:

Defectors from North Korea are a key source of first-hand information for intelligence officers, scholars, activists, and journalists. While their testimony is considered valuable, there is growing skepticism about the veracity of their accounts.[54][55][56] Often, defectors are cited anonymously to protect their identities, which makes it difficult to verify their information.[57] Moreover, defectors often have limited experience and are not experts on North Korea.[31]

For their part, when surveyed in 2017 by the National Human Rights Commission of Korea, many defectors complained that journalists had violated their right to privacy.[58]

Felix Abt, a Swiss businessman who lived in the DPRK, argues that defectors are inherently biased. He says that 70 percent of defectors in South Korea are unemployed, and selling sensationalist stories is a way for them to make a living. He also says that the overwhelming majority of defectors come from North Hamgyong Province, one of North Korea's poorest provinces, and often have a grudge against Pyongyang and provinces nearby. He says that defectors in South Korea's resettlement process tailor their accounts over time to become less mundane and more propagandistic. He criticizes journalists and academics for not being skeptical about even the most outlandish claims made by defectors.[50]: 117–18  Similarly, academic Hyung Gu Lynn has commented that some defectors embellish or fabricate their stories to sell books or lobby for regime change.[59] Representatives of the defector community in South Korea have also expressed concern about the unreliability of defector testimony.[60]

The journalist Jiyoung Song has said that she has encountered numerous inconsistent stories when researching defectors over sixteen years. She noted that cash payments for interviews are standard and have increased over the years. The more exclusive or emotional the story is, the higher the payment.[61] Other South Korean journalists have accused defectors of producing fantasies for money.[31]

After extensively interviewing Shin Dong-hyuk, a prominent defector, the journalist Blaine Harden wrote in 2012 that, "There was, of course, no way to confirm what he was saying. Shin was the only available source of information about his early life". According to Harden, Shin confessed that his original story about his mother, told in interviews to South Korea's National Intelligence Service and others, and in his memoir, was not true: "Shin said he had been lying about his mother's escape. He invented the lie just before arriving in South Korea."[62] In January 2015, Harden announced that Shin had admitted that the account of his life that he had given Harden was also false.[63][64][65][66][67] Analyst Andrei Lankov commented that "some suspicions had been confirmed when Shin suddenly admitted what many had hitherto suspected", described Harden's book as unreliable, and noted that defectors faced considerable psychological pressure to embroider their stories.[68]

In 2017, Chun Hye Sung, a defector who had been a guest on several South Korean TV shows using the name Lim Ji-hyun, returned to the North. On North Korean TV, she said that she had been pressured into fabricating stories detrimental to North Korea.[69] The South Korean broadcaster denied her claims, and some observers suggested she was speaking under duress.[70]

I highly recommend the documentary Loyal Citizens of Pyongyang in Seoul, which goes over the horrendous treatment of defectors in the ROK.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (4 children)

    Is that really the best response you have? Is your conviction really that weak?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

    I’m sure you think you could Gish Gallop anyone into thinking the sky is yellow. Only a moron engages with stuff that is just false on its face like this.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (2 children)

    I linked Wikipedia. This isn't gish-gallop. If you think Wikipedia is too tankie for you, then I have no idea how you navigate through life, considering it's practically the liberal bible. No, I can't convince anyone that the sky is yellow, but I can convince people to think critically and confront their own brainworms from a lifetime of propaganda.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)

    You misrepresented the gestalt of the article. You cherry picked. Initially, you lied and claimed the article said the opposite of what it says in its opening paragraphs. I don’t have time for this BS. You fool no one.

    By the way, your sad little downvote on every one of my comments in this one-on-one conversation just makes you look pathetic. You and I are the only ones reading this.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago

    I used the actually evidence-backed parts of the article. Of course the Wikipedia editors are going to dress it up in a negative way, I figured that was obvious. But looking at what is backed by hard evidence, it supports what I said. As for looking pathetic, I'm not the one that refuses to even engage with the argument at hand and dodges it entirely. Downvotes aren't for disagreement, but for comments that genuinely don't add anything, which has been your last few comments for sure.

    I know you're fully capable of grappling with what I've said and the evidence provided. I'm not even bringing out textbooks or anything, this is just Wikipedia so it's very short.

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