Naich comments on Please Let the Internet Die | Online spaces are captured by oligarchs and saturated with slop—and they’re exacerbating humanity’s worst impulses. It’s time to start over.

[–] Naich@piefed.world 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It's easier to block it here, and it doesn't get forced down your throat in the first place. If Elon Twatface came on here, everyone could ignore him and he'd go away. He couldn't buy it and force his bullshit on us either.

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[–] Stormy@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 week ago (5 children)

There are 100% communities on lemmy ran by malicious individuals pushing shit that benefits elon musk. How are you so sure he hasn't already released his bot army on lemmy?

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That's expected. The difference is the Fediverse gives the users the flexibility to employ our own strategies for dealing with it. When a bunch of money is clearly being spent astroturfing the tiktok/ig/reddit algorithms, you can't do anything about it. But here, instances can decide to defederate from other instances that aren't properly moderating such content. Yeah, Elon can make his own instance, he can even spend money creating bots on other instances, but the Fediverse gives us the tools to cull them.

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[–] Stormy@thelemmy.club -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The thing is, normal people have no idea what you're talking about. Defederate? Instances?

These are nonsense words to everyone that hasnt been here since its conception.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You're switching your argument. Is your argument that the Fediverse can also be manipulated by the wealthy, or that people outside the Fediverse don't understand what the Fediverse is? Those are two different conversations.

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[–] Stormy@thelemmy.club 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

Idk what I'm doing, but both parts suck.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 week ago

Well, one I think is protected against by the design of the Fediverse for the reasons I mentioned. For the other, I don't think you're wrong to say most people don't know about why the Fediverse is designed how it is, but I think democracy in general faces the exact same challenge.

As TJ put it,

If a [social media platform] expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of [non-enshittification], it expects what never was and never will be.'

I do think there is a sort of balancing act that has to happen to maintain a working Fediverse/democracy, but the hope is that, if you design your system correctly, you get a positive feedback loop that preserves the critical functions that retain power with the people, not the capital.

The most successful attack against open platforms is the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish loop. And if you squint, that's the same strategy capitalism employs to attack democracy.

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