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[–] [S] 5 points 6 days ago (9 children)

I wonder why Ukraine wants two types of fighters, Rafale and Gripen.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago (3 children)

    They can't afford to be picky, gotta work with what you can get your hands on

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 days ago (2 children)

    Yes, but they're buying the planes unlike the F-16s and Mirage 2000-5s which they got for free.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 days ago (1 child)

    I don't know about Rafale, but Gripen is known for being good at defense (namely shooting down drones), which is something traditional jet fighters have largely been relegated into since the start of war in Ukraine. Better anti-air defenses by both sides keep taking down planes when crossing into each other's territories. So, drones took on the offensive role when it comes to striking into enemy territory.

    Going on a tangent, on land, Swedish Stridsvagn designed for defense actually performed better than its "cooler" and more "hardcore" NATO brothers Leopard and Abram tanks. The latter two were designed for offense with the assumption of a NATO structure in place; which Ukraine doesn't have and of course, drones again blunted the full potential of the traditional main battle tanks.

    The war in Ukraine hasn't definitively made fighter planes and tanks obsolete, but the traditional assumptions about war technologies since World War II has been modified.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 5 days ago

    Yes, it seems like Ukraine should have just purchased the Gripen.

    The Stridsvagn is a modified version of the Leopard 2. Both tanks are performing well in Ukraine although as you mentioned Ukraine had to adapt them to its tactics.

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