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[–] 37 points 1 week ago (19 children)

A few outlets report that the patriots won't arrive before 2030. That's not very encouraging.

Two people briefed on the US decision said the missiles, which have yet to be made, are not expected to be delivered until a couple of years into the 2030s.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    The US will demand money up front and then take the weapons and/or funds for themselves to support their failing imperial adventures like they did with Switzerland.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    The only difference is that every time Trump calls for not blowing up refineries, Zelensky starts waving the Patriot order and says Trump hasn't delivered on his part.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    Not delivering on agreements is Trump's bread and butter. He's all but come out and announced that his administration supports Russia over Ukraine, but they're working against a lot of inertia both internationally but more importantly domestically. They have to nominally play along for now, as they bide more time to frogboil us and use conservative media to manufacture consent to go all the way.

    By 2030 I think they anticipate that Ukraine won't exist to collect.

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  • [+] -8 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    We weren't imperialist before Trump? What exactly do you think Ukraine is?

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  • [+] -9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    Bruh. You know what it's about.

    It's the same reason America always wages war.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    You do know russia invaded Ukraine right, not the other way around. You would have a point if the us invaded russia, but since that is not what happened you dont have a point.

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  • [+] -12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    It's not really a secret when the Rand Corporation writrs a whitepaper that basically translates to "how to fuck up Russia and take all their shit".

    America didn't invade? How is bankrolling a coup any better? They overthrew a democracy and enslaved an entire nation under fascist rule. Millions of people stopped being Ukrainian after that, along with their land. Russia didn't "invade" Ukraine as much as it defended Crimea and Donetsk/Luhansk Peoples Republics.

    Democracy is derived from the individual and nothing else, not race, not religion, not ethnicity, not arbitrary borders, not even nations themselves. People have a right to exist, not nations, especially fascist ethnostates like Ukraine and Israel.

    Russia is defending the democratic human right of self determination.

    The Kiev junta has sold out their entire nation to Western corporations and billionaires. Blackrock has privatized every aspect of public institutions . Their grandchildren's grandchildren will be paying off generational debt from predatory military and IMF loans. All opposition parties have been banned. All opposition media has been seized by the government. Men can't even leave to escape this fascist death cult. They're dressing like old women in public and drowning in rivers trying to escape ICE styled "busification".

    www.busification.org/en

    I'd take "invasion" over whatever you call this any day. 👍

    Fuck Ukraine.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Damn, ok genocide supporter. Have a better life that you wish on others!

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  • [+] -10 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Dafuq? Your propaganda doesn't mesh with the realities. The war in defense of democratic secession has literally seen the lowest civilian death rate than any major conflict in modern history. Look it up.

    Gaza's numbers are completely reversed. This is what a war of liberation looks like compared to a war of annihilation. This is what it looks like when you wage war but still see your adversary as human.

    If anything, the genocide is forced conscription of ethnic Russians and other "undesirables" being sent to the front line meat grinder.

    Just an impossible VICTORY OR an inevitable DEATH?

    Ukraine is a fascist death cult, same as Israel.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    Fuck your russian imperialist bullshit.

    The amount of lies and just absolute garbage coming out of every one of your posts is so pathetic.

    You're a genocide supporting imperialist and are no better than the IDF or Nazis.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Why in the everloving fuck, is Europe relying on that system, if it takes 5+ years to get a few missiles?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    Looks like like that’s less than a current years production. Unfortunately Trump and Hegseth lit the US reserves on fire so they could do insider trading on the prediction/betting and oil/stock markets. Now they need to restock before the next distraction/market manipulation/AI fueled ego trip. Also Trump wants Putin to think he’s cool. Priorities.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    It didn't take that long before Trump's War on Iran used the stockpile in a handful of months for nothing.

    Almost like that was maybe the actual plan. Emptying the US defense stockpile means both a militarily weaker US, and a ton of new manufacturing contracts for defense contractors.

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