Andy Yen's values are incompatible with Proton's mission. He advocates for poor security practices, supports fascists, and he verbally abuses his subordinates. As such, I can no longer in good conscience continue to financially support a company with such terrible leadership.

Unfortunately for me, my subscription just renewed last month on a multi year plan, but it does give me time to browse for and experiment with alternatives.

If you're able, I encourage you to do the same and cite Andy Yen as the driving factor for your decision. We can't let these tech bro fascists destroy what little semblance of privacy we have left.

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[–] 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (41 children)

where do you migrate to? especially password manager and web storage?

I used to self host those, but nextcloud is a pain to keep updated, and password management is to important to do half assed.

edit: thanks for the suggestions. i'm gonna try out filen, and after that maybe keypass via filen

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago* (26 children)

    I said this before, will say it again: do not migrate to another subscription service.

    People went through all the trouble to migrate from Google to Proton, then now they must migrate from Proton to whatever else, and the cycle will repeat again.

    Subscription services, cloud software, they all strip you of agency and control. You don't have direct access to the files, you don't control the GUI, they are filled with proprietary formats, you are at their hands if they decide to change something you like, or pricing, or if they simply go nuts.

    Keep your things in your computer. Need they synced? SyncThing will do that for you on any device imaginable.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    The vast majority of people don't know the difference between 2FA and passkeys, and you want them to manage their own self hosted solutions for everything? Yeah, keep repeating this I guess...

    You might as well move out to the mountains and live off grid and pretend like that's a real solution.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    The vast majority of people don’t know the difference between 2FA and passkeys, and you want them to manage their own self hosted solutions for everything?

    I didn't mention self hosting nor do I think it's necessary, unless you consider any service running in your desktop as "self hosting".

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    People need/want/are used to active sync. For that one either needs a true self-hosted solution and/or a service that requires opening port(s) on the firewall/router, which most people either have no idea how to do or can't due to ISP lockdown. Self-hosting can very quickly turn into a 2nd job and not everyone wants that. Or they have no required techical knowledge and no desire or time to learn. Plus, you still have to set up proper backups, even if the service is just running on your desktop. Unless, of course, you're fine with a single point of failure.

    On the topic of mail hosting, as someone who works in IT and self-hosts a whole stack of things: I do not ever want to self-host my email. Personally, I was considering just getting another domain for email and switching backend services as needed, but I liked the package Proton offered, so I chose that instead. I might need to rethink that domain option, but at this rate, soon no backend service will be safe from fascists and/or AI.

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