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[–] 2 points 1 week ago* (34 children)

Am I awful for suggesting El sayed with AOC as vice instead?

There are too many misogynistic shitbags and the race is too important.

I want AOC to be our first female president, but 2028 seems like a bad time to risk it. 😕

Woulda preferred she ran in 2024 instead of Kamala.

She's got my vote either way. Just, shit ain't stable, and plenty of the folks that don't support Donald Trump will never vote for a woman president.

Sigh.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    It's not that clear. Hillary won the popular vote by several million votes. Hillary Clinton - yes, that clusterfuck of a candidate. Yes, there were plenty of misogynists who voted against her on the basis of her being a woman. Many also voted for her because she's a woman.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago

    Yes, there were plenty of misogynists who voted against her on the basis of her being a woman.

    Or, y'know, because they're Republicans. Anyone with misogyny as an overriding political belief system isn't an available vote for Democrats. They don't just want a male leader, they want a misogynist that will validate their feelings and shield them from consequences. And the Republicans will always provide that to them, with or without a penis in the pants.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 week ago* (11 children)

    You think a muslim president is easier?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    100000%, yes.

    Is that a serious question?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago (8 children)

    Mamdani won with a small different despite how bad Cuomo was.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago* (7 children)

    Both religions extremists put all women beneath men of religions they see as opposing their own, regardless of that woman's religion.

    It's ridiculous to me that anyone would think the general misogynistic christofascist leaning US would endorse a woman before a Muslim man. Asinine.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Reality disagree with you. It is the same BS as the idea that Kamala lost because she is a women when Hilary won the popular vote. Ilhan Omar was targeted because he is a women or being muslim ?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    Sorry which religion was it you're saying respects women?

    One, the other?

    It's neither but I'm curious where you stand here. Itll tell me a lot.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    What the gell are you talking about? I said a muslim has even less chance than a woman to become a president.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    And I am clearly saying neither religion would vote for a woman before they would vote for a man of the other religion.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    That literally is the topic.

    I'm done here. Not going to keep going on with someone struggling with basic reading comprehension.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    There are too many misogynistic shitbags

    Doesn't matter who runs, fascist propaganda will attack them. Similar concerns about Obama, although not as severe because fascism was less out in the open.

    The times are calling for real progressives. I think that's the only way to overcome the fascists. Not with Right Wing Lite™ like Newsom.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago

    If you don’t put up an AOC with huge numbers then you’re gonna get a John Ossoff or a Gavin Newsom and they’ll either continue to do Joe Zidenism or Trump will win a “third term because fuck it”

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    El Sayed isn't DSA. AOC is.

    If El Sayed wants to join the party they are more than welcome, but you shouldn't expect DSA to endorse someone not DSA.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    One requirement is to call themselves a democratic socialist, that would be my guess as the main reason the local DSA chapter wouldn't officially endorse. I know the chapter still did a whole lot when it came to ground game tho

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    shit ain’t stable

    Shit being unstable is exactly why we need change. Decades of frustration with neoliberal stability is why things are unstable and why Trump became a thing in the first place. We even had the most centrist old white male saltine cracker we could find for four years trying to restore the stability of the pre-Trump neoliberal order, and what happened? Voters went straight back to Trump.

    That's not an endorsement of AOC specifically but just saying I don't think that logic makes sense. If we can't outline a real alternative to both Trumpism and neoliberalism, and actually deliver on affordability, then Trumpism will just keep returning with different faces. Trump should be the wake-up call that there's problems with just maintaining the status quo.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (8 children)

    I think you’re right, and you can call me a “Bernie Bro” all you want… If you compare Abdul’s prowess in terms of public speaking on the fly with AOC’s you will see a big difference and Abdul wins hands-down. He will also get the misogynist vote, which yes, is important, as we saw in 2016.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago

    This has been my biggest critique of AOC for the previous 4 years. After her tussle with Pelosi and getting banged up in that, she started taking only much safer media pieces. She stopped going on basically any media where journalists would challenge her, and also only took "forum" type questions where she had the mic and the questioner didnt.

    So there was a solid 3, 3 and a half years of that, and she got soft. She lost her edge from 2017. But Bernie brought her back out with their combined tour. And since then she's been sharpening her edge. She still wont take contested media spaces. But she's doing better.

    Ro Khanna has been far better at taking controversial media. Same with El Sayed. AOC needs to sharpen her game here.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    I'd be so happy with 2 years of El Sayed / AOC leading to 2 years of AOC / El Sayed. At least at this moment in both of their track records and given the current state of the US.

    You ask me this in 2022, I'm here for AOC 100%, In just sour on how my party treated Kamala. I don't trust them to do AOC justice in a campaign after that.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago

    You ask me this in 2022, I’m here for AOC 100%, In just sour on how my party treated Kamala. I don’t trust them to do AOC justice in a campaign after that.

    I think with Kamela it's a lot more complicated there though. She basically had the drawbacks of both being a newcomer and an incumbent at the same time.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Im sorry but misogynists are not voting for a guy named Abdul El-Sayed either

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    I think you’d be surprised. All you have to do is listen to him to know he’s on the up-and-up. I think they would respect his confidence. Whereas AOC is already the new “most hated woman in politics” now that Hillary and Pelosi are out of it, in their minds. She has no chance.

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