thingsiplay comments on Valve has ‘a significant number’ working on Steam’s visibility dilemma but says it won’t gatekeep games made with AI

[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (22 children)

Does GOG have required Ai disclosure?

If not, will you buy games knowingly it could contain or have been made with Ai, or will you research before? If you research, why not do this with Steam games?

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (21 children)

Hadn't looked into it yet but if there's slop there then won't be buying, same goes for Itch.io or any other platform.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (20 children)

I looked at pages on GOG games and couldn't find such disclosure. As far as I know, itchio doesn't have a policy to force Ai disclosure either. Right now, Steam is the only platform that forces this.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

Steam has been the only platform I've really bought from since all this bullshit started, but if they drop the policy I'm dropping the platform as a customer. It shouldn't be on me to research the shit out of stuff to make sure it's a real product that someone actually made, that should absolutely be disclosed on every platform there is.

Whatever slopped out jackass is downvoting this can get bent: I'm not paying for poorly plagiarized garbage, full stop.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Where does this "dropping the Ai policy" come from?? There is no indication to.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 week ago* (10 children)

From the article (though it doesn't explicitly say that) and from people (read: idiots like Tim Sweeney) criticizing the policy. There is very real pressure from a certain group of shitbags for Steam to abandon the warning labels or at least not make them mandatory, which is fucked.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Those aren't real source, these are just someone idea. There is absolutely no indication to Valve dropping the requirement for Ai disclosure, and I don't see any reason to why they would to. It's one of the quality features of Steam and something others don't do. It's just transparency, not forcing anything else.

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[–] Epp@lemmus.org 1 point 1 week ago (7 children)

They won't drop it, but developers will stop disclosing it. There's no benefit to doing so. Only downsides. It's only a matter of time until AI is so ubiquitous that no one can tell who is and who isn't using it.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (6 children)

developers will stop disclosing it. There’s no benefit to doing so.

That would be against the rules of the platform. They risk to get banned or the game being removed from the store.

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[–] Epp@lemmus.org 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

How would someone prove, definitively, that they used AI, if they don't claim they did? I see no risk.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Sometimes this comes out and can be proven. Not always. It's still a risk. And yes, there will be liars out there, but at least there is a policy in place how to handle the situation.

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[–] Epp@lemmus.org 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

can be proven.

I don't believe it ever can be proven. It's simply hearsay - unless someone was recording the developers machine during development and then release a screen recording. Otherwise it's the developers word versus the accuser's, with Valve having to act as arbiter. You let me know if that ever happens, please, because I sincerely believe the scenario is an ant-AI pipe dream. A veneer of protection.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Never read the news where game devs got caught of using Ai, then suddenly they sorry and said it will never happen again, removing the content?

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[–] Epp@lemmus.org 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

Those were mistakes on the part of the developer. If they had never admitted it, then they never "got caught" since there's no way to prove the accusation.

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[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 week ago

Wrong. They got caught, and then the devs admitted, because they had no other choice. And yes, there are ways to proof it, but not in all cases. Otherwise they wouldn't get caught.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 week ago

Ok. Have a good day!

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[–] Epp@lemmus.org 0 points 1 week ago (6 children)

If you can't tell, then it literally doesn't matter. If it's information that is invisible to you, and if someone lied about it you would still never know, then it shouldn't inform your decision-making. At all.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

The hell it doesn't! What an absurd response.

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[–] Epp@lemmus.org 0 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

Yours is the absurd response.

You: "It's so poorly plagiarized, and so slop quality that I need them to tell me so, otherwise I don't actually know. So make them tell me!"

Asinine.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

Yes, I agree: everything you've said so far is pretty asinine.

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[–] Epp@lemmus.org 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Says the person who wants to be told when they're "playing slop" because if no one tells them, they can't tell. Yet demands they be told.

I think, for people like you, they should just have a random number generator - 0 Steam say it's not slop, 1 they say it's slop. It would make you happy, yes? Since you're basing your entire decision on something you can't actually discern.

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[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

You're making all sorts of stupid fucking assumptions and then throwing a half baked, bullshit argument on top of it, but the fact of the matter is: Slop that is not immediately apparent can be thrown into a game and by the time it's apparent, the player can be past the return window.

There are all sorts of other flaws in your garbage-ass argument but I'm past out of patience with you: Now go troll somebody else you fucking dipshit.

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[–] Epp@lemmus.org 1 point 1 week ago

I've made zero assumptions. Your comment is slop, and I'm done arguing with you. Now go demand someone else give you a thumbs up or thumbs down on arbitrary determinations, you petulant child.

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