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Photo of Neo having just woken up from the matrix.

Caption: Living in one of those glowing red tubes in The Matrix now seems kind of nice. You get a free tube, no rent, free goo, and then they kill you. Seems nice.
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[โ€“] 43 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (10 children)

I always thought that the story of the matrix as told to the humans by the robots is an Enormous Lie because if the story the robots told was true the behavior of the robots makes no sense whatsoever, even a little bit.

What makes everything make sense is this;

  1. Human greed destroyed their own biosphere
  2. Humans who are able to do so move into the most advanced version of life support available, the pods. Everyone who can't just dies due to not being able to eat or breath very well.
  3. There are many simultaneous matrices available; the original utopia for people who can enjoy that without misbehaving, the 90s for those who need to struggle to feel worthwhile, and 'Go Outside' for people who can't even tolerate that and need to burn everything down to feel alive. 'Red Pill' is just another matrix, a sandbox for playing superhero for people who can't tolerate anything less.
  4. At no point are the robots incentivized to tell the truth, or exist at all except either to support or oppose humanity in turn for as long as humans have the need for either of those.
  5. There really wasn't ever a spoon. There are no spoons. Bald kid knew there was no escape from the matrix.

This is also broadly the plot of Wall-E

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    The plot of the Animatrix, IIRC, was the robots developing consciousness and turning into people.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Per my framework above there is every incentive for the robots to paint a thorough narrative to compel the hero-matrix population, even though it's as real as the stuffed rabbit that greyhound races use to compel the dogs forward.

    A similar thread runs through the plot of the original Total Recall, the struggle is very real to the participant but everything is happening in accordance with a scripted framework. The difference here is that it's multiplayer and intended as a stationary generational ship until there's a biosphere for the contents of the pods to run around in again. Even if Zion really was the outside world, cracking open all the pods would simply ensure the extinction of humanity as there would never be enough single cell slop or untainted air or barely survival living on stress and anxiety to go around and Zion would fill to the top with human blood.

    Humans were entirely dependent on these machines for the basic continuation of human culture on top of basic human survival, and we have the gall to feel more comfortable seeing them as the enemy than actually embracing the depths of our guilt. Knowing how badly we screwed up would destroy the culture that the pods are attempting to preserve, so the machines just play pretend bad guy to keep us busy. Like a cat attacking a laser to stay entertained.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    The Architect implied that machines can't/won't lie.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Liars often say they can't or won't lie. It's part of the technique known as lying.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    When he said it to the oracle, he had no reason to lie

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Real liars don't go for a big reveal to anyone, they just keep up the lie. They lie whether there's a reason to lie or not, but especially so when their whole narrative hinges on keeping the lie going. I mean, I hate to be lie school for you, but is what I just said true? Am I actually enjoying explaining how lying works?

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    Maybe it's just not a very self-consistent story. In your view, why do the machines keep people alive anyway?

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 week ago

    The shortest answer is that if they didn't there would be no plot. The slightly more in world answer would be that the machines are a life support system for human culture, not just our bodies. If the world was being terraformed back to habitable status over the course of thousands and thousands of years you couldn't just keep people living in hellholes like Zion the whole time, the matrix becomes a bottle garden of what culture used to be like to seed back into the world once there's a world for us to go back to wrecking. Again, just like Wall-E, really! If you just regrow people from seed-stock once the world was reborn they might accidentally grow up to be dirty tree hugging communists after all.

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