▲ 42 ▼ Can someone fill me in on the ziq-anark drama? (lemmy.dbzer0.com) submitted 2 weeks ago by A404@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 comments fedilink hide all child comments Source: https://raddle.me/f/Anarchy/217949/the-anark-led-badjacketing-campaign-has-started-because-i
[–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (11 children) Anark's comment sound like liberalism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (10 children) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (9 children) "laws", "reparations", "constitutions", "justice". People calling themselves anarchists have always been the hipster thing to do, the "I'm totally radical" without any self critique. This is how anarchy looks like in regards to prisons, specially relevant because they do mention Anark: https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago* (8 children) “laws”, “reparations”, “constitutions”, “justice”. which have exact meanings in anarchist theory, where Anark went out of his way to distinguish. Do you assume anarchist society don't have rules, baseline rules everyone is beholden to, reparative work for wrong doings, and a justice process? https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination This is the same essay Anark is referencing🤦♀️. Why not cite Bakunin, heck even Kropotkin‽ Why rereference the essay we have already read is being questioned for both legitimacy and reparative & rehabilitative justice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 week ago (7 children) Because anarchy is not the question of reparative and rehabilitative justice, that's cop talk. Justice is a liberal proposition, if you want to do anarchy, you must think bigger not liberal+. If you want to talk justice, constitution, law, etc you can join your local social democracy party. Just stop calling yourself anarchist, stop diluting words. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) Ok, I see my mistake: You can't read, and you don't comprehend “without hierarchy.” Later demagogue🖕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (5 children) "it's not a forest, it's a stationary non-animal life." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (4 children) “The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.” —Turkish Proverbs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (10 children) How so? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (9 children) "laws", "reparations", "constitutions", "justice". People calling themselves anarchists have always been the hipster thing to do, the "I'm totally radical" without any self critique. This is how anarchy looks like in regards to prisons, specially relevant because they do mention Anark: https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago* (8 children) “laws”, “reparations”, “constitutions”, “justice”. which have exact meanings in anarchist theory, where Anark went out of his way to distinguish. Do you assume anarchist society don't have rules, baseline rules everyone is beholden to, reparative work for wrong doings, and a justice process? https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination This is the same essay Anark is referencing🤦♀️. Why not cite Bakunin, heck even Kropotkin‽ Why rereference the essay we have already read is being questioned for both legitimacy and reparative & rehabilitative justice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 week ago (7 children) Because anarchy is not the question of reparative and rehabilitative justice, that's cop talk. Justice is a liberal proposition, if you want to do anarchy, you must think bigger not liberal+. If you want to talk justice, constitution, law, etc you can join your local social democracy party. Just stop calling yourself anarchist, stop diluting words. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) Ok, I see my mistake: You can't read, and you don't comprehend “without hierarchy.” Later demagogue🖕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (5 children) "it's not a forest, it's a stationary non-animal life." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (4 children) “The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.” —Turkish Proverbs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (9 children) "laws", "reparations", "constitutions", "justice". People calling themselves anarchists have always been the hipster thing to do, the "I'm totally radical" without any self critique. This is how anarchy looks like in regards to prisons, specially relevant because they do mention Anark: https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago* (8 children) “laws”, “reparations”, “constitutions”, “justice”. which have exact meanings in anarchist theory, where Anark went out of his way to distinguish. Do you assume anarchist society don't have rules, baseline rules everyone is beholden to, reparative work for wrong doings, and a justice process? https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination This is the same essay Anark is referencing🤦♀️. Why not cite Bakunin, heck even Kropotkin‽ Why rereference the essay we have already read is being questioned for both legitimacy and reparative & rehabilitative justice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 week ago (7 children) Because anarchy is not the question of reparative and rehabilitative justice, that's cop talk. Justice is a liberal proposition, if you want to do anarchy, you must think bigger not liberal+. If you want to talk justice, constitution, law, etc you can join your local social democracy party. Just stop calling yourself anarchist, stop diluting words. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) Ok, I see my mistake: You can't read, and you don't comprehend “without hierarchy.” Later demagogue🖕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (5 children) "it's not a forest, it's a stationary non-animal life." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (4 children) “The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.” —Turkish Proverbs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago* (8 children) “laws”, “reparations”, “constitutions”, “justice”. which have exact meanings in anarchist theory, where Anark went out of his way to distinguish. Do you assume anarchist society don't have rules, baseline rules everyone is beholden to, reparative work for wrong doings, and a justice process? https://anarchistnews.org/content/you-cant-build-anarchy-building-prisons-against-carceral-imagination This is the same essay Anark is referencing🤦♀️. Why not cite Bakunin, heck even Kropotkin‽ Why rereference the essay we have already read is being questioned for both legitimacy and reparative & rehabilitative justice? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 week ago (7 children) Because anarchy is not the question of reparative and rehabilitative justice, that's cop talk. Justice is a liberal proposition, if you want to do anarchy, you must think bigger not liberal+. If you want to talk justice, constitution, law, etc you can join your local social democracy party. Just stop calling yourself anarchist, stop diluting words. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) Ok, I see my mistake: You can't read, and you don't comprehend “without hierarchy.” Later demagogue🖕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (5 children) "it's not a forest, it's a stationary non-animal life." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (4 children) “The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.” —Turkish Proverbs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 point 1 week ago (7 children) Because anarchy is not the question of reparative and rehabilitative justice, that's cop talk. Justice is a liberal proposition, if you want to do anarchy, you must think bigger not liberal+. If you want to talk justice, constitution, law, etc you can join your local social democracy party. Just stop calling yourself anarchist, stop diluting words. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) Ok, I see my mistake: You can't read, and you don't comprehend “without hierarchy.” Later demagogue🖕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (5 children) "it's not a forest, it's a stationary non-animal life." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (4 children) “The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.” —Turkish Proverbs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) Ok, I see my mistake: You can't read, and you don't comprehend “without hierarchy.” Later demagogue🖕 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (5 children) "it's not a forest, it's a stationary non-animal life." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (4 children) “The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.” —Turkish Proverbs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (5 children) "it's not a forest, it's a stationary non-animal life." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (4 children) “The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.” —Turkish Proverbs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (4 children) “The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them.” —Turkish Proverbs permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 week ago (3 children) You do realize that wanting anarchy but supporting secret police and prisons makes you the tree voting for the axe, right? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] waltersf@bookwyr.me 1 point 1 week ago (2 children) I am not a Leninist. You observed that correctly! Now explain to !Anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com why revolutionaries should ignore their oppressors’ information gathering? Disengage me from it. I have gathered enough from you to be aware you don't know anything about revolutionary action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mofongo@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago Nerd permalink fedilink source parent [–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 week ago* If you want to disengage, just reply with "Disengage". The disengage rule is not a way to have the last word in permalink fedilink source parent
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