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[–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Irving Kristol was never a communist. He was never genuine. He always worked for the CIA.

Trots=neocons is not a real thing, never was. They just had a lot of infiltrators.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

    Irving Kristol isn't the only one? Obviously not every single Trot became a neocon, but many did, and there's a reason for it: cynicism. Further, a Trot working for the CIA itself is actually just an extension of the same cynicism. It's all growing from the same learned helplessness and lack of revolutionary optimism: if revolution is impossible, all you can do is get your bag.

    This is not exclusive to Trots, of course. Plenty of young people with revolutionary optimism "grow up" to become cynical older adults, and that's not because they're chicken. They simply become convinced there's no hope.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    My statement remains the same.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Okay, whatever.

    So. Were they chicken? Because that's the topic.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    I don't think neocons were ever legit. This was an attempt to infiltrate the "New York Intellectuals" and their publications, just like they did later with Ramparts Magazine

    And I don't see the cynicism in Trotsky's writing, agree with him or not. Permanent Revolution is anything but cynical.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    I didn't say Trotsky himself was a cynic.

    I said that Trots, and other people who formerly had revolutionary politics, became neocons out of cynicism.

    Not because they're chicken.

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