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How shitty standards stick around (programming.dev)
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[–] 67 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (18 children)

Meanwhile everyone is using Discord (still after Chinese funding, enshittification, age verification)

A fringe moved to non federated options Fluxer Haven Stoat

Matrix is too expensive to host, xmpp has no clients to use IRC can’t even edit a message.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Why is matrix expensive?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    If someone uploads a photo or video, the server hosts it and sends to everyone.

    Expensive

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    There are plenty of XMPP clients out there that work great... finding one that supports all the features you actually care about...now that's the hard part. XMPP has too many opt in extensions and it's very hit and miss with clients

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    The problem is that the only one XEP that could allow for a Discord-like UX (XEP-0503: Server-Side Spaces) that, let's admit, is the best one for many (I, in example, prefer that UX over the IRC or plain contacts + MUCs list UX [like, the WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram or most XMPP clients), is only actually used in one client (Movim), and only other one has discussed implementing it (Gajim, that has something like a Client-Side Spaces impl that is really prone to break up), has only done that, discuss it.

    And why it's a Discord-like UX better, in my opinion?

    Because it allows for more structured, focused and topic-based conversation and discussion. That's why that UX has gotten so popular among not only gamers, but also among students, freelancers, creative groups, or even scientists and companies. It's less prone to become a mess than a plain list where everything is mixed up.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    A bare minimum includes: Editing, notifications, 1-1 calls, group calls voip, emoji reactions, discord servers aka matrix space aka fluxer community, mobile app.

    Sorry but nothing in the xmpp space gets close. I’m looking for a viable Discord alternative not a gTalk competitor from 10 years ago.

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