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Flawless strategy (lemmy.world)
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[–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

Calling consensual penetrative sex objectifying is a strange take. Sure, I'm being an dick ITT. But it's only because there's a lot of incel circle jerk going on and I personally think incel philosophy doesn't hold up against blunt force reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Yeah you're still missing the point. I never said "consensual sex is objectifying," I said you're being objectifying by patronizing people in a thread about "we no longer pursue women and we're pretty much alright with that" by talking down to them about their "dicks being dry" and saying they just need more skill in "convincing women to hop on their dicks."

    Like, no, I have women friends I care about and I'm not going to change that dynamic just because some rando on the internet thinks he's better than me simply because he gets more sex, and claims I just need to be better at "convincing them" to do something I'm not actively seeking. And the fact that you can't see that point is even sadder on your part.

    And if you think that's what being an incel means, then fucking newsflash, you're the incel here, and no amount of sex you get will change that. Afterall, it's a "mentality/worldview," and not about whether someone gets laid, right.

    So again, look yourself in the mirror. And on that note, good day.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    I'm just an ape on the internet, but you don't exactly come across as someone who is content with not dating. The whole context of this thread is a big circle jerk of "approaching women doesn't work to get dates, women don't want me. I'm not good enough" etc... You have to risk getting hurt if you're interested in dating. There's no way around it. And yes, I'm crude, but you do have to fuck before you fall in love.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    You and I read this thread entirely differently. You call it a circle jerk of commiseration; I view it as a self-deprecating thread where guys who have given up on dating can feel some solidarity with each other (that is, until it gets crashed by chuds like you).

    It's actually a healthy thing. "Men need to support each other emotionally" is something that often comes up in feminist-oriented discussions. Well, we're doing it, and you show up to call us all incels because we don't get laid like you do? Nobody here is asking you do be a "dating coach"

    And yes, I'm crude, but you do have to fuck before you fall in love.

    You're pathetic. Go back to the manosphere where you belong.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    I'm calling you all incels because y'all are enjoying a pity party lmao

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Go back to the manosphere, chud

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Behind that guy are 100's that feel this way and just keep it to themselves. It's really fun to beat up on those losers, but regular men see it and react a way that makes the problem worse. It's cyclical. Men and Women are just more choosey these days I think, and the losers caught in the middle are there to complain about it. I've not met a single 'incel' that also didn't make it painfully obvious why they were single. The effort to fix them doesn't exist, and they don't want to be fixed. These people have always existed, but the internet gave them a campfire to rally around. Money can be made off of them, so the jerk will continue until profits drop.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Not really sure what point you're trying to make.

    At first it reads like "Lots of men deal with loneliness and keep it to themselves, which creates a vulnerability that nefarious actors exploit." The logical conclusion is that men forming an ad hoc support group on a thread joking about dying alone is actually a healthy thing because it minimizes the attack surface and gives men a place to vent without being exploited, gives them a place to find emotional support without being demeaned or self-effacing.

    But then I'm not sure if the second half of your comment veers into "the men gathered here are all incels and actually it's okay to beat them while they're down because they're easy targets and aren't worthy of basic respect" or if you're saying "actually incels are something different from what you see here, and these are just normal guys sharing a rare moment of emotional support."

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I'm saying it's a shit pipe. A lot of young men are going to die alone and confused, and it's not even really their fault. The whole thing is a tragedy, with no clear solution that applies to everyone. My point is while you're correct in what you say, it's not constructive, and is probably making it worse. These guys are already suffering, their best shot is not being made fun of and maybe realizing they aren't getting attention anymore and need to change. More incels are created from hating on them, than probably would exist otherwise. It's team sports to everyone now. Nobody wants to change, everyone wants to be right. Incels don't scare me, so I don't go picking fights with them on the internet, because that's really what they want.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I think we're on the same page here. You might be confusing me with the other guy; I'm the one he was arguing with.

    I don't personally think posting self-deprecating comments in a thread of guys joking about dying alone makes someone an incel. I think that's just a healthy outlet and to some extent a form of emotional support. Both things that are exceedingly rare, yet necessary, for men dealing with loneliness.

    But what's unhealthy and destructive is shaming those guys for even thinking it's okay to gather and joke about a situation we feel we have in common, especially when it's a situation that's so prevalent (and documented) today.

    It's not like we're going to 4chan or xitter to say depraved things about women. If there's any aggression in this thread, it's playful and directed inward.

    At least, until Mr. Casa Nova crashed it to call us all incels for not being endowed with his superior ability to (as he phrases it) "convince women to hop on his dick" or "get his dick wet." Completely missing the point that no one here was asking for that.

    Like that's literally the kinda of shit you hear in toxic masculinity circles. The kind of things he was saying belong in the manosphere "dating coach" grift, not an emotional support thread full of men saying "We've learned to be okay with dying alone because it may be our only option and we're not going to compromise our values by objectifying women just so we can feel like "real men™". So now we joke about it because that's what humans do when they're resigned to a certain fate."

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