β² 368 βΌ Zelenskyy signs new human rights strategy that includes protections for LGBTQ+ people (www.lgbtqnation.com) submitted 3 weeks ago by Sunshine@piefed.ca to c/ukraine@sopuli.xyz 24 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[β] Sunshine@piefed.ca [S] 26 points 3 weeks ago (12 children) Non-binary gender markers please. permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 21 points 3 weeks ago (8 children) Would be great if we could figure out how to do non-binary or non-gendered speech in Ukrainian. Grammatical gender is a pain in the ass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] eurodyne@piefed.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (7 children) Is this really a shortcoming of the Ukrainian language? TIL permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Yeah, Slavic languages have grammatical gender. It's not like in German or French with the articles, but the endings of adjectives and past tense verbs change to agree with nouns and pronouns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Quokka 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Can you do like a latinx? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I really have no idea what that would look and sound like. We have a neuter gender, but it's not really fitting to talk about people (like using "it" in English). I think we do need a new gender neutral suffix, yes, but I'm not qualified enough to make an attempt at devising one. Or maybe we could just start using plural, like "they" in English. It would sound odd, but not as odd as a brand new type of ending. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Don't they have a neutral gender? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Neuter, not neutral. Like "it" in English or "das" article in German. Not really a good fit to talk about people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Its a misconception that it only applies to objects permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago "Not only applicable to objects" doesn't automatically mean "applicable to people", believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent [β] owceowce@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago Isnt that Q letter described what you asking for? permalink fedilink source parent [β] Burstar@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) trans people can legally change the gender markers on their documents. I'd be surprised if 'x' isn't one of the options permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Sunshine@piefed.ca [S] 8 points 3 weeks ago Last I checked it wasnβt an option yet. We must respect the non-binary defenders. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 21 points 3 weeks ago (8 children) Would be great if we could figure out how to do non-binary or non-gendered speech in Ukrainian. Grammatical gender is a pain in the ass. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [β] eurodyne@piefed.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (7 children) Is this really a shortcoming of the Ukrainian language? TIL permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Yeah, Slavic languages have grammatical gender. It's not like in German or French with the articles, but the endings of adjectives and past tense verbs change to agree with nouns and pronouns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Quokka 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Can you do like a latinx? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I really have no idea what that would look and sound like. We have a neuter gender, but it's not really fitting to talk about people (like using "it" in English). I think we do need a new gender neutral suffix, yes, but I'm not qualified enough to make an attempt at devising one. Or maybe we could just start using plural, like "they" in English. It would sound odd, but not as odd as a brand new type of ending. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Don't they have a neutral gender? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Neuter, not neutral. Like "it" in English or "das" article in German. Not really a good fit to talk about people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Its a misconception that it only applies to objects permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago "Not only applicable to objects" doesn't automatically mean "applicable to people", believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[β] eurodyne@piefed.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (7 children) Is this really a shortcoming of the Ukrainian language? TIL permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Yeah, Slavic languages have grammatical gender. It's not like in German or French with the articles, but the endings of adjectives and past tense verbs change to agree with nouns and pronouns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Quokka 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Can you do like a latinx? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I really have no idea what that would look and sound like. We have a neuter gender, but it's not really fitting to talk about people (like using "it" in English). I think we do need a new gender neutral suffix, yes, but I'm not qualified enough to make an attempt at devising one. Or maybe we could just start using plural, like "they" in English. It would sound odd, but not as odd as a brand new type of ending. permalink fedilink source parent [β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Don't they have a neutral gender? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Neuter, not neutral. Like "it" in English or "das" article in German. Not really a good fit to talk about people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Its a misconception that it only applies to objects permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago "Not only applicable to objects" doesn't automatically mean "applicable to people", believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Yeah, Slavic languages have grammatical gender. It's not like in German or French with the articles, but the endings of adjectives and past tense verbs change to agree with nouns and pronouns. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Quokka 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Can you do like a latinx? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I really have no idea what that would look and sound like. We have a neuter gender, but it's not really fitting to talk about people (like using "it" in English). I think we do need a new gender neutral suffix, yes, but I'm not qualified enough to make an attempt at devising one. Or maybe we could just start using plural, like "they" in English. It would sound odd, but not as odd as a brand new type of ending. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Quokka 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Can you do like a latinx? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I really have no idea what that would look and sound like. We have a neuter gender, but it's not really fitting to talk about people (like using "it" in English). I think we do need a new gender neutral suffix, yes, but I'm not qualified enough to make an attempt at devising one. Or maybe we could just start using plural, like "they" in English. It would sound odd, but not as odd as a brand new type of ending. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) I really have no idea what that would look and sound like. We have a neuter gender, but it's not really fitting to talk about people (like using "it" in English). I think we do need a new gender neutral suffix, yes, but I'm not qualified enough to make an attempt at devising one. Or maybe we could just start using plural, like "they" in English. It would sound odd, but not as odd as a brand new type of ending. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Don't they have a neutral gender? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Neuter, not neutral. Like "it" in English or "das" article in German. Not really a good fit to talk about people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Its a misconception that it only applies to objects permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago "Not only applicable to objects" doesn't automatically mean "applicable to people", believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Neuter, not neutral. Like "it" in English or "das" article in German. Not really a good fit to talk about people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Its a misconception that it only applies to objects permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago "Not only applicable to objects" doesn't automatically mean "applicable to people", believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Baleine@jlai.lu 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Its a misconception that it only applies to objects permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago "Not only applicable to objects" doesn't automatically mean "applicable to people", believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[β] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 3 points 3 weeks ago "Not only applicable to objects" doesn't automatically mean "applicable to people", believe it or not permalink fedilink source parent
[β] owceowce@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago Isnt that Q letter described what you asking for? permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Burstar@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) trans people can legally change the gender markers on their documents. I'd be surprised if 'x' isn't one of the options permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [β] Sunshine@piefed.ca [S] 8 points 3 weeks ago Last I checked it wasnβt an option yet. We must respect the non-binary defenders. permalink fedilink source parent
[β] Sunshine@piefed.ca [S] 8 points 3 weeks ago Last I checked it wasnβt an option yet. We must respect the non-binary defenders. permalink fedilink source parent