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[–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (14 children)

So does being a plumber? But there is not a master of plumbing sciences, that would be an engineer. My point is that there is no need to make everything an academic faculty, there should be prestige in the trades too.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Librarian is not a trade, because the job isn’t ’receive book, hand out book’. That’s what the volunteers and assistants do. Working as a librarian requires constant learning and updating yourself on new information and studying the needs of the library patrons. You can read more about other duties here: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/Education-Training-and-Library/Librarians.htm#tab-2

    The trades should be more valued, but the way to do that isn’t by denigrating the amount of education that other jobs take.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    A plumber does not just cut and paste pipes or unclogs sinks either. You are denigrating trades in your first phrase by equating them to simple mindless menial jobs my dude

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    Not what I was going for but I can see how it can be read that way. My point was that librarian is a job that requires a lot of academic training because it’s a job that heavily relies being able to navigate academic work, which really isn’t the case for plumbing or other trade jobs. That doesn’t make the work mindless, you obviously have to engage your mind to engage in any skilled work. It’s just a different kind of mental engagement, I don’t think anyone who has worked a ‘traditional’ academic job and a trade job would contest that.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    So... plumbers require education, too. In the US it's apprenticeship, trade school, or community college to get licensed. In the UK it's similar, so not just a US thing. You do one of these routes to prove you can do the skilled labor, and receive a license for doing so.

    There is not a "trade school" for a librarian, because to prove you can be a librarian, you need to prove you can learn consistently and over a long period of time. That's not possible without longer education.

    Your argument makes it sound like plumbers don't require education (not your intent, I know), but denigrating the librarian trade doesn't help, either.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Do you have any idea if what it takes to manage a library or are you just guessing that it doesn't take a higher level degree?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    No idea tbh, that is why I asked in the first place. For now nobody has answered something that convinced me 2 years of academic degree are necessary to learn what is essentialy a building manager with strong foundations in literature and or history.

    Please note, I am not saying they should not have a degree in history or literature, just that library science seems hyperspecific to check off some box on a university advertisement.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

    The core skill missing from literature and history is curration, how do you grow, prune and organize a collection of books to meet the needs of the community.

    Then you've got maintenance, repair and handling of the books themselves which is super important if you're working with rare items.

    Finally, most librarians are basically running a community centre filled with children, and you have all the skills and safeguarding concerns that go along with that.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    All these do not sound like stuff you learn in an university but stuff you learn from a master of the trade?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    I think what a ton of people are missing is that librarians also study and teach HOW to research and gather information. Quite literally something that is best served by someone well versed in that through a masters. Source: one of my university mates is a university librarian.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    You could say that about any job

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  • [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Disagree. In some fields you need many years of theoretical fundation to even begin to understand the bases of what you are supposed to do.

    A mechanical engineer will not be able to understand their job without being able to solve partial differential equations, and that is something you learn more efficiently from a calculus lecture at university, not on the job with a master of the trade.

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