▲ 319 ▼ Starting October 30, business accounts will consent to Meta scraping their websites if they continue using Facebook, Instagram, or WhatsApp (www.niemanlab.org) submitted 3 weeks ago by inari@piefed.zip to c/technology@lemmy.world 37 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 87 points 3 weeks ago (21 children) Stop using meta products permalink fedilink source hideshow 21 child comments replies: [–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago Businesses can't exactly ignore or control where the customer are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] inari@piefed.zip [S] 23 points 3 weeks ago (11 children) Easier said than done when all your friends and family use WhatsApp and Instagram permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Havatra@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 weeks ago That's the same issue everyone has/had, including me. You'd be surprised how alright it works to use SMS and phone calls once you get used to it. It's honestly refreshing. You don't have to go that far, necessarily, as there are other messaging services out there that I'm sure your circles find better than SMS. Sure, you might miss out on some events and stuff due to others needing to remember that you're no longer on Meta platforms, but just be a little persistent and they'll remember to include you, just like they did me ;-) permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 37 points 3 weeks ago I sent everyone a message, roughly "hey I'm moving away from Meta products. From now on you can contact me through SMS or Signal." All the important ones followed me to Signal, not all, but enough. The rest are using SMS or calling, some have stopped contacting completely. Which is sad, sure. But I look at it as they don't think I'm important enough for them to spend 30 seconds installing Signal or using a SMS that is already available for them. So I assume they don't like me very much, which is fine. I don't think about them too much either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 12 points 3 weeks ago True, but someone has to start. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago I said the same thing then took the plunge a year or so ago. Now the people that I used to keep up with on FB text and interact directly with me more often even than FB and I enjoy it more.. Also don't have to incidentally see all the assholes in the process. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dracc@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago Nah, works fine. Sure, you won't get a nudge every 15 minutes but that's (surprisingly to some) totally okay. Just quit, there's other ways to keep contact with the people you care about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) Just write them letters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Have you checked the price of stamps lately? In the US, they are $0.82 now. You should use a carrier pigeon instead. You can even use IPoAC to send an e-mail by pigeon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago Me and my box full of forever stamps I don't use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The USPS has gone to shit. I used to order packages, first class, every 3 weeks or so. For my entire life it took 2-3 days, until idk 2018 it crept upwards, by 2021 it was more like 3-5 days, 2025 or so it crept up to 7 or more days. It's on purpose obviously. The USPS is mandated in the constitution too, but they want to get rid of it anyway, and the dems haven't done shit to restore it, and yes I know of their performatively throwing money at them during biden's term, which changed nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago If the Republicans do get rid of USPS, some (probably red) rural areas will discover they no longer get shipments of any kind. Only USPS is mandated to ship to all far-reaching locations in the US, and commercial services hand their parcels over when delivering the last mile is not profitable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago All my friends and family know how to contact me because their my friends and family. permalink fedilink source parent [–] adarza@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago i haven't even started using that as a company name.. it's stupid. google's new 'parent' name, too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] TeaWithDani@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago As if they weren't going to scrape the data anyways. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CheesyFingers@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children) Your comment is being scraped by meta rn btw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) Isn't all of lemmy scraped by AI data crawlers? (They should call them Data Trawlers, after the ocean going monstrosities that drag those massive nets that scrape the bottom and take everything out of the sea.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 3 points 3 weeks ago For funsies, I once asked Claude about some obscure software I was reading about in a Lemmy post that was about an hour old. Its reply referenced a different post in the same comment thread of the Lemmy post I was already reading. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CheesyFingers@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) We should all assume so and also assume that our pseudonymity is transparent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Others have told me on multiple threads, people with credibility as far as I was concerned, that we already know they do, and there is no way to stop it due to the nature of federated social media. Although all the corporate social media can't seem to stop the crawlers either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago Corporate social media can try to put a stop to it; federated social media provides an effortless protocol to scrape everything, including even who voted how on what permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 15 points 3 weeks ago Businesses can't exactly ignore or control where the customer are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] inari@piefed.zip [S] 23 points 3 weeks ago (11 children) Easier said than done when all your friends and family use WhatsApp and Instagram permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] Havatra@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 weeks ago That's the same issue everyone has/had, including me. You'd be surprised how alright it works to use SMS and phone calls once you get used to it. It's honestly refreshing. You don't have to go that far, necessarily, as there are other messaging services out there that I'm sure your circles find better than SMS. Sure, you might miss out on some events and stuff due to others needing to remember that you're no longer on Meta platforms, but just be a little persistent and they'll remember to include you, just like they did me ;-) permalink fedilink source parent [–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 37 points 3 weeks ago I sent everyone a message, roughly "hey I'm moving away from Meta products. From now on you can contact me through SMS or Signal." All the important ones followed me to Signal, not all, but enough. The rest are using SMS or calling, some have stopped contacting completely. Which is sad, sure. But I look at it as they don't think I'm important enough for them to spend 30 seconds installing Signal or using a SMS that is already available for them. So I assume they don't like me very much, which is fine. I don't think about them too much either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 12 points 3 weeks ago True, but someone has to start. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago I said the same thing then took the plunge a year or so ago. Now the people that I used to keep up with on FB text and interact directly with me more often even than FB and I enjoy it more.. Also don't have to incidentally see all the assholes in the process. permalink fedilink source parent [–] dracc@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago Nah, works fine. Sure, you won't get a nudge every 15 minutes but that's (surprisingly to some) totally okay. Just quit, there's other ways to keep contact with the people you care about. permalink fedilink source parent [–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) Just write them letters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Have you checked the price of stamps lately? In the US, they are $0.82 now. You should use a carrier pigeon instead. You can even use IPoAC to send an e-mail by pigeon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago Me and my box full of forever stamps I don't use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The USPS has gone to shit. I used to order packages, first class, every 3 weeks or so. For my entire life it took 2-3 days, until idk 2018 it crept upwards, by 2021 it was more like 3-5 days, 2025 or so it crept up to 7 or more days. It's on purpose obviously. The USPS is mandated in the constitution too, but they want to get rid of it anyway, and the dems haven't done shit to restore it, and yes I know of their performatively throwing money at them during biden's term, which changed nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago If the Republicans do get rid of USPS, some (probably red) rural areas will discover they no longer get shipments of any kind. Only USPS is mandated to ship to all far-reaching locations in the US, and commercial services hand their parcels over when delivering the last mile is not profitable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago All my friends and family know how to contact me because their my friends and family. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Havatra@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 weeks ago That's the same issue everyone has/had, including me. You'd be surprised how alright it works to use SMS and phone calls once you get used to it. It's honestly refreshing. You don't have to go that far, necessarily, as there are other messaging services out there that I'm sure your circles find better than SMS. Sure, you might miss out on some events and stuff due to others needing to remember that you're no longer on Meta platforms, but just be a little persistent and they'll remember to include you, just like they did me ;-) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BeelzebubEiNukuKoskaan@piefed.social 37 points 3 weeks ago I sent everyone a message, roughly "hey I'm moving away from Meta products. From now on you can contact me through SMS or Signal." All the important ones followed me to Signal, not all, but enough. The rest are using SMS or calling, some have stopped contacting completely. Which is sad, sure. But I look at it as they don't think I'm important enough for them to spend 30 seconds installing Signal or using a SMS that is already available for them. So I assume they don't like me very much, which is fine. I don't think about them too much either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 12 points 3 weeks ago True, but someone has to start. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago I said the same thing then took the plunge a year or so ago. Now the people that I used to keep up with on FB text and interact directly with me more often even than FB and I enjoy it more.. Also don't have to incidentally see all the assholes in the process. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dracc@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago Nah, works fine. Sure, you won't get a nudge every 15 minutes but that's (surprisingly to some) totally okay. Just quit, there's other ways to keep contact with the people you care about. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) Just write them letters permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Have you checked the price of stamps lately? In the US, they are $0.82 now. You should use a carrier pigeon instead. You can even use IPoAC to send an e-mail by pigeon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago Me and my box full of forever stamps I don't use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The USPS has gone to shit. I used to order packages, first class, every 3 weeks or so. For my entire life it took 2-3 days, until idk 2018 it crept upwards, by 2021 it was more like 3-5 days, 2025 or so it crept up to 7 or more days. It's on purpose obviously. The USPS is mandated in the constitution too, but they want to get rid of it anyway, and the dems haven't done shit to restore it, and yes I know of their performatively throwing money at them during biden's term, which changed nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago If the Republicans do get rid of USPS, some (probably red) rural areas will discover they no longer get shipments of any kind. Only USPS is mandated to ship to all far-reaching locations in the US, and commercial services hand their parcels over when delivering the last mile is not profitable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children) Have you checked the price of stamps lately? In the US, they are $0.82 now. You should use a carrier pigeon instead. You can even use IPoAC to send an e-mail by pigeon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago Me and my box full of forever stamps I don't use. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The USPS has gone to shit. I used to order packages, first class, every 3 weeks or so. For my entire life it took 2-3 days, until idk 2018 it crept upwards, by 2021 it was more like 3-5 days, 2025 or so it crept up to 7 or more days. It's on purpose obviously. The USPS is mandated in the constitution too, but they want to get rid of it anyway, and the dems haven't done shit to restore it, and yes I know of their performatively throwing money at them during biden's term, which changed nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago If the Republicans do get rid of USPS, some (probably red) rural areas will discover they no longer get shipments of any kind. Only USPS is mandated to ship to all far-reaching locations in the US, and commercial services hand their parcels over when delivering the last mile is not profitable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago Me and my box full of forever stamps I don't use. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) The USPS has gone to shit. I used to order packages, first class, every 3 weeks or so. For my entire life it took 2-3 days, until idk 2018 it crept upwards, by 2021 it was more like 3-5 days, 2025 or so it crept up to 7 or more days. It's on purpose obviously. The USPS is mandated in the constitution too, but they want to get rid of it anyway, and the dems haven't done shit to restore it, and yes I know of their performatively throwing money at them during biden's term, which changed nothing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago If the Republicans do get rid of USPS, some (probably red) rural areas will discover they no longer get shipments of any kind. Only USPS is mandated to ship to all far-reaching locations in the US, and commercial services hand their parcels over when delivering the last mile is not profitable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 weeks ago If the Republicans do get rid of USPS, some (probably red) rural areas will discover they no longer get shipments of any kind. Only USPS is mandated to ship to all far-reaching locations in the US, and commercial services hand their parcels over when delivering the last mile is not profitable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago All my friends and family know how to contact me because their my friends and family. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago i haven't even started using that as a company name.. it's stupid. google's new 'parent' name, too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TeaWithDani@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago As if they weren't going to scrape the data anyways. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheesyFingers@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (5 children) Your comment is being scraped by meta rn btw permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) Isn't all of lemmy scraped by AI data crawlers? (They should call them Data Trawlers, after the ocean going monstrosities that drag those massive nets that scrape the bottom and take everything out of the sea.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 3 points 3 weeks ago For funsies, I once asked Claude about some obscure software I was reading about in a Lemmy post that was about an hour old. Its reply referenced a different post in the same comment thread of the Lemmy post I was already reading. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CheesyFingers@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) We should all assume so and also assume that our pseudonymity is transparent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Others have told me on multiple threads, people with credibility as far as I was concerned, that we already know they do, and there is no way to stop it due to the nature of federated social media. Although all the corporate social media can't seem to stop the crawlers either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago Corporate social media can try to put a stop to it; federated social media provides an effortless protocol to scrape everything, including even who voted how on what permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children) Isn't all of lemmy scraped by AI data crawlers? (They should call them Data Trawlers, after the ocean going monstrosities that drag those massive nets that scrape the bottom and take everything out of the sea.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 3 points 3 weeks ago For funsies, I once asked Claude about some obscure software I was reading about in a Lemmy post that was about an hour old. Its reply referenced a different post in the same comment thread of the Lemmy post I was already reading. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CheesyFingers@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) We should all assume so and also assume that our pseudonymity is transparent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Others have told me on multiple threads, people with credibility as far as I was concerned, that we already know they do, and there is no way to stop it due to the nature of federated social media. Although all the corporate social media can't seem to stop the crawlers either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago Corporate social media can try to put a stop to it; federated social media provides an effortless protocol to scrape everything, including even who voted how on what permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrenchcoatFullofBats@belfry.rip 3 points 3 weeks ago For funsies, I once asked Claude about some obscure software I was reading about in a Lemmy post that was about an hour old. Its reply referenced a different post in the same comment thread of the Lemmy post I was already reading. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheesyFingers@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) We should all assume so and also assume that our pseudonymity is transparent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Others have told me on multiple threads, people with credibility as far as I was concerned, that we already know they do, and there is no way to stop it due to the nature of federated social media. Although all the corporate social media can't seem to stop the crawlers either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago Corporate social media can try to put a stop to it; federated social media provides an effortless protocol to scrape everything, including even who voted how on what permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) Others have told me on multiple threads, people with credibility as far as I was concerned, that we already know they do, and there is no way to stop it due to the nature of federated social media. Although all the corporate social media can't seem to stop the crawlers either. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago Corporate social media can try to put a stop to it; federated social media provides an effortless protocol to scrape everything, including even who voted how on what permalink fedilink source parent
[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago Corporate social media can try to put a stop to it; federated social media provides an effortless protocol to scrape everything, including even who voted how on what permalink fedilink source parent