I was originally going to ask how many legal genders there should be, but I fail to see a compelling argument against 0.

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[+] -6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

because there aren't legal genders.

you are talking about sex. sex is part of your basic biology, like your race, your eye color, your hair color, your height, your weight, etc.

The idea that sex does not exist is simple not true, it's an idealism coming from weirdos who think the concept of biological sex is evil and wrong or something.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Your understanding of sex does not encapsulate how transition changes a person’s sexual characteristics and organs, which are absolutely medically relevant information.

    If I were reduced to my birth sex when e.g. admitted to a hospital, doctors would have a hard time figuring out how to treat me as I am very obviously different from that. The whole picture is important.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    that's why you can have your sex legally changed, like your name.

    but please be more offended by reality if makes you feel morally superior.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Where was I 'offended by reality'? Are you OK?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Because the concept that biological sex doesn't exist keeps getting pushed by folks, and it's simple not true apart from fringe circumstances.

    despite 99.1% of the population not being trans, and 99.998% of it not being hermaphrodites.

    it's a totally insane position and I'm sick of it being normalized. But then again this place is full of people who think China will liberate them from their oppression by capitalism, but they are also incorrect and not living in reality.

    Way too many folks seem to want to take the perspective of schziophrenic and argue we should all be like that, rather than we should treat the schiophrenic so they don't suffer from schziophrenia. And will scream at you that you're evil and wrong for not wanting everyone to become schiophrenic.

    What's weird is IRL, I have never me trans person who argues everyone needs to be trans or gender/sex needs to be abolished to 'liberate' us from it or something. And when I do meet someone like that, it's mostly a rich white straight person who argues that, who is sexist as hell about other people's genders. It's largely a projection of their own shame at their own gender essentalism, or something. Otherwise it's a position that mostly a position of delusional people online, and it's utterly bizarre. And equally as absurd as the people who think trans people are going around converting children or something.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I understand your position, and even and agree with what you are trying to say about a level of virtue signalling so intense and removed from reality that it is disingenuous and toxic. I see it in many of the 'chronically online' types, particularly those who need to look after themselves a bit better. However, none of that is relevant to anything prior in this comment thread. I do think you may have categorised me as being in a certain 'camp' and then run off with it a bit, if I am honest.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    There is no such thing as 'biological sex' or, as you put it, sex as part of your basic biology, like some sort of immutable biological property each individual gets alongside other biological traits, such as eye or hair color. Like something you cannot discuss because it would be like discussing how many fingers you have on your hand. Sex is a classification made by humans based on some loosely grouped and kind of varying physical traits, which are even not always used consistently to tell sexes apart.

    The first argument in defense of biological sex is that people with a penis and testicles are inherently and biologically men and people with a vulva and vagina are biologically women. But, you know, even when they are not common, there are people who have both or none in varying degrees. This usually turns to "women are people with XX chromosomes and men are people with XY chromosomes". But people with XXY chromosomes (Klinefelter syndrome) and just X chromosomes (Turner syndrome) also exist. You may say those people will be men or women based on what their physical development will make them look like. But you can already see how this starts taking sex assignment into some subjective area and not a basic biology property anymore. Then, you also have De La Chapelle syndrome and Swyer syndrome, which are people with XX chromosomes developing physical traits traditionally considered male and people with XY chromosomes developing physical traits traditionally considered female, respectively. We can continue going over the dozens of different conditions that make it impossible to tell that someone has one unquestionable basic biological sex. You could tell those cases are very rare (if you consider 1 % of the population as very rare), but they do exist. And, since you want to appeal to biology, in science you cannot simply ignore a scenario because it's not favourable for you and claim that your theory still holds because it works for the majority. Sex is a spectrum and sex binarism is a social construct: https://doi.org/10.1038/518288a

    The same way that there is also no such thing as "biological race" and I thought that debate was over decades ago: https://bioanth.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/AAPA_Biological_Race_1996.pdf

    Once you start questioning the idea of sex and race as basic biology that cannot be argued, you start seeing how those ideas are harder to sustain and insisting in doing so will place you in, let's say, uncomfortable positions.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    oh right, let me just re-produce asexually....

    i totally forgot that human beings are capable of asexual reproduction!

    just because we can use surgical procedures to change our biology, doesn't mean biology doesn't exist. but i understand how you, and many folks these days, have confused those two things.

    cool, and because lizards with two heads can exist... that means lizards with one head are what oppressors or something right? or what about siamese twins, clearly non siames twinned people are also evil or something right?

    you want to argue from extreme marginal cases rather than normative ones, because of your ideology, not because of biology or science.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    yeah until like sometime in the last 10 years I never thought of gender and sex as being different from each other. Every time I see gender assigned at birth im like thats kinda redic. Yeah in people who have some sort of issue that makes it indeterminate a call is made but otherwise it goes by xy xx. I mean we are talking a very small percentage of births that have one assigned.

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