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I have no idea what there is not to understand about this...and why it's mostly men complaining about "protecting women's spaces", lol.

This might upset some people, and you know what? Good.
If this upsets you, at least the others will know and the trash can take itself out.

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[–] 5 points 3 weeks ago* (8 children)

I agree - and that's not even a speculative possibility either, they've already started out in the open for everyone to see...

Look at the Olympics, they used to (without any issues) only require trans women to show 2 years on HRT in medical records, and a recent blood test showing hormone levels within average cis women ranges... Then after Trump and co, now that was scrapped. Now, they test for the SRY gene (a test that is widely condemned as disproportionate). This means anyone who has the SRY gene (which as far as I'm aware only activates once in the womb, and is what causes the development of male genitals) is immediately disqualified from taking part in women's sports

This obviously targets trans women regardless of hormones and medical history, but also targets any cis woman who is found to have the SRY gene. It's rarer, sure, and terfs would argue that can't happen with their basic biology they learnt at 6yrs old... But it is possible for the SRY gene to translocate from the Y chromosome onto an X chromosome in the womb... Causing a cis woman who grew up her entire life as a woman with no difference in sex characteristics, with XX Chromosomes, to be found with the SRY gene even if it never activated during development... And the Olympics even recognised this, and just shrugged their shoulders. So in the eyes of the Olympic rules, they don't even consider cis women who may have the gene (and be unknowingly intersex) to be eligible women. All for the sake of "fairness"

Honestly, I feel as though if we just mandated that everyone should have to get a chromosome test, there'll be so many cis people who find out that they're intersex that the whole culture war aimed at trans people falls apart because they no longer can stand on the pedestal of "the majority" and become so much more aware that sex and chromosomes aren't as black and white (or bio-essentialist) as some may think...

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (4 children)

    Honestly, I feel as though if we just mandated that everyone should have to get a chromosome test, there’ll be so many cis people who find out that they’re intersex that the whole culture war aimed at trans people falls apart because they no longer can stand on the pedestal of “the majority” and become so much more aware that sex and chromosomes aren’t as black and white (or bio-essentialist) as some may think…

    I love your energy, but this would require conservatives to show integrity and consistency in acknowledging the truth. We all know at this point that there is no truth for them but what they want, and whatever they have to say or do at any given time to get it. The tests would happen behind closed doors, the results would be them saying it's whatever they want it to be based on their judgement of the person at a glance, and everything else would be the dog and pony show to distract from or justify this happening.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Very true, though I think it would bring a lot more people who are current fence-sitting, or just don't know anything about trans people/healthcare and prone to fall for conservative lies, into the know on just how silly the transphobic rhetoric is

    There will definitely still be a lot who will die on the hill they've created, or actively try to make up new lies or even just repeat their old ones with the large billionaire backing they have... Confirmation bias is a hell of a thing, as well as just the deep hatred they hold... But I'd hope it would at least make their bad faith arguments way less acceptable and fallen for by the average person.

    I could also be just being hopelessly optimistic of an alternate timeline that won't happen anyways... Who knows I guess

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Very true, though I think it would bring a lot more people who are current fence-sitting, or just don’t know anything about trans people/healthcare and prone to fall for conservative lies, into the know on just how silly the transphobic rhetoric is

    To be honest, I think this alone would make the whole venture worth it. Those who might be reached with reason. I was way off on the wrong side of all this at one time, but because someone didn't totally write me off and I kept taking in new information, I found my way out of ignorance. My heart goes out to all the people on the wrong side today who will someday look back on this time in their lives with shame, as I do with that time in my life.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Yeah exactly! I've always tried to be mindful that not everyone who has possibly transphobic views are necessarily a "transphobe", and may just be someone that's misinformed... in an information bubble that's designed from the start to be against us.

    I've always been open to talking with people who are a bit "eh" on it, and always try to be respectful... As long as they can do the same. I feel as though a lot of people are willing to listen, and even if they don't immediately agree with everything, it still helps to introduce a different perspective and new information that they can think on and further look into in the future.

    The entire topic is tangled in hatred, suspicion and purposeful dehumanisation of us... It can be hard for the average person to untangle from that if it's all the info they know, so we have to reconnect on a human level

    If everyone is immediately prickly when someone says something misguided, it won't solve anything, it just drives us all further into our own echo chambers... Though I can understand why some are immediately prickly to transphobic comments... We deal with enough abuse that it can get too much and defensive walls get built to protect ourselves. It's why we need cis allies to speak out more alongside us because the trans community can't be the only ones standing up against this billionaire-funded behemoth of a campaign... It just won't work out. I love stuff like the Not in Our Name collective in the UK for this same reason, it just needs a more attention as most don't know of it.

    Those driving this hate campaign want us to not talk to each other, and look at each other from large deep chasms, because that's how they drive the wedge further in. So I try to communicate with those at least willing to have a civil conversation even if it may be a bit uncomfortable sometimes.

    Of course, if someone is just straight up an a-hole and it's clear they aren't willing to be civil and want to just hate and attack, then yeah they are definitely a transphobe and I just stay clear of them lol

    Also sorry for the long rambles - I'm prone to it sometimes 😅

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    there'll be so many cis people who find out that they're intersex

    Would be nice to witness that, even though it would be shrugged off, I'm pretty sure

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Doubt it, at least as the tansphobic right continue trying to restrict rights, and the people who thought they were safe from it suddenly find themselves othered. Such as if a terf athlete suddenly found out she had the SRY, or XY chromosomes (via one of the intersex varieties), and are suddenly banned from the sports she thought she was allowed into... I wouldn't wish anyone to have to deal with that, despite how many of them are pushing that exact thing... But I doubt they'd be able to just shrug it off if it started to effect them because of the erosion of rights they thought they were safe from.

    Sadly some people don't care about, or at the very least don't keep up with news on, the erosion of minority rights if they're secluded from it... Until they suddenly find themselves in the minority

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Yeah, the last paragraph is what I expect, very little percentage will be directly affected and will find out that was the issue, the rest would think it's fair because people in charge can't be at fault.

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