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[+] LostWanderer@fedia.io 40 points 1 month ago (10 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago* (9 children) You wouldn't want him using a local model unless he was running some fancy rig that could run a high end frontier model. He might not have such a thing laying around. Using the best out there for something like this is how you help avoid bugs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] LostWanderer@fedia.io 9 points 4 weeks ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago* (2 children) He's doing it though. So that's kind or moot. Fable is out there finding bugs in these things, so seems like if he is going to do it, using the thing that's already making it more secure by finding multiple exploits is the right choice of what to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Fable is out there finding bugs in these things Ehh, that's debatable. An LLM will gladly spit out a vulnerability report, but as LLMs lack any understanding or reasoning capability, there's literally nothing guaranteeing that it has any semblance in fact or reality. They are just random text generators after all. Going by Anthropic's own numbers for things like Mythos, it "found" 29,439 vulnerabilities, when a human actually checked if the reports made any sense (ignoring validity) that dropped to around 6,200 reports, when they were tested for validity that further dropped to around 1,300 reports, and when it came time to actually patch the issues only 516 made the cut (i.e. the rest might have been issues, but weren't considered exploitable, etc.). 516 out of 29,439 is a 1.75% success rate, not exactly groundbreaking. Now to be fair, according to Greg KH at a recent talk, Mythos is seemingly improving. Of 79 vulnerabilities it reported, a solid 4 were real. That's a 5% success rate, though it performed much better when it simply reported other developers bug fixes, something it did 11 times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) And how many security vulnerabilities have you found? 516 is still a lot. One of those had been in the Linux kernal for decades. Edit: and many of those real ones from the 6000 group anthropic says the maintainers just didn't want to fix as it was outside their threat model. A vulnerability in the Linux kernal, is different than one on an alarm clock app or something less serious. Edit: And for people that don't know, this decades old linux exploit wasn't just a single bug it found. It was able to piece together multiple smaller exploits that it found, that led to being able to exploit this bigger bug. permalink fedilink source parent [–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 15 points 4 weeks ago (4 children) He gets paid more than enough to afford high end hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (2 children) He definitely can afford it yes, but its still a big ask to want someone to spend 15-25k or whatever it would be (shits getting more expensive by the day) to use a tool that he can just do pay per use. The code is open source so its not like he'd be using a local llm to keep it private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wendell from Level1Techs built Greg KH a monster rig for free, I'm sure they'd be willing to build one for Linus too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago Dang, wish someone would build me one for free! Thats super cool of them though! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler Intel Arc B580 GPU Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor permalink fedilink source parent [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 weeks ago I'd definitely like someone to champion an open-weights model under 32 GB. But part of that desire is - I'm not sure they're there, yet. Local models are only a few months behind, but hoo boy, the last few months have been big. Coding models could be tiny, but distilled versions keep preserving pop-culture knowledge and world history, when reasoning through C++ requires essentially none of that. It needs the tokenization to recognize why a comment begins "Jesus Christ." It's fine for "treat the hash like Lot's wife" to go completely over its head. Keep the weights that know a regex for e-mails, not the capitol of Florida. If it speaks a dead language I want it to be Algol. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 4 weeks ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [+] LostWanderer@fedia.io 8 points 4 weeks ago* (-1 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 4 weeks ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [+] LostWanderer@fedia.io 2 points 4 weeks ago* (-1 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 4 weeks ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [+] LostWanderer@fedia.io 2 points 4 weeks ago* (-1 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 4 weeks ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent replies: [+] LostWanderer@fedia.io 2 points 3 weeks ago (-1 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow -1 child comments replies: [+] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 3 weeks ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-2 replies) load more comments (-2 replies) load more comments (-2 replies) load more comments (-2 replies) load more comments (-2 replies)
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 10 points 4 weeks ago* (9 children) You wouldn't want him using a local model unless he was running some fancy rig that could run a high end frontier model. He might not have such a thing laying around. Using the best out there for something like this is how you help avoid bugs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [+] LostWanderer@fedia.io 9 points 4 weeks ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago* (2 children) He's doing it though. So that's kind or moot. Fable is out there finding bugs in these things, so seems like if he is going to do it, using the thing that's already making it more secure by finding multiple exploits is the right choice of what to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Fable is out there finding bugs in these things Ehh, that's debatable. An LLM will gladly spit out a vulnerability report, but as LLMs lack any understanding or reasoning capability, there's literally nothing guaranteeing that it has any semblance in fact or reality. They are just random text generators after all. Going by Anthropic's own numbers for things like Mythos, it "found" 29,439 vulnerabilities, when a human actually checked if the reports made any sense (ignoring validity) that dropped to around 6,200 reports, when they were tested for validity that further dropped to around 1,300 reports, and when it came time to actually patch the issues only 516 made the cut (i.e. the rest might have been issues, but weren't considered exploitable, etc.). 516 out of 29,439 is a 1.75% success rate, not exactly groundbreaking. Now to be fair, according to Greg KH at a recent talk, Mythos is seemingly improving. Of 79 vulnerabilities it reported, a solid 4 were real. That's a 5% success rate, though it performed much better when it simply reported other developers bug fixes, something it did 11 times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) And how many security vulnerabilities have you found? 516 is still a lot. One of those had been in the Linux kernal for decades. Edit: and many of those real ones from the 6000 group anthropic says the maintainers just didn't want to fix as it was outside their threat model. A vulnerability in the Linux kernal, is different than one on an alarm clock app or something less serious. Edit: And for people that don't know, this decades old linux exploit wasn't just a single bug it found. It was able to piece together multiple smaller exploits that it found, that led to being able to exploit this bigger bug. permalink fedilink source parent [–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 15 points 4 weeks ago (4 children) He gets paid more than enough to afford high end hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (2 children) He definitely can afford it yes, but its still a big ask to want someone to spend 15-25k or whatever it would be (shits getting more expensive by the day) to use a tool that he can just do pay per use. The code is open source so its not like he'd be using a local llm to keep it private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wendell from Level1Techs built Greg KH a monster rig for free, I'm sure they'd be willing to build one for Linus too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago Dang, wish someone would build me one for free! Thats super cool of them though! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler Intel Arc B580 GPU Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LostWanderer@fedia.io 9 points 4 weeks ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago* (2 children) He's doing it though. So that's kind or moot. Fable is out there finding bugs in these things, so seems like if he is going to do it, using the thing that's already making it more secure by finding multiple exploits is the right choice of what to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Fable is out there finding bugs in these things Ehh, that's debatable. An LLM will gladly spit out a vulnerability report, but as LLMs lack any understanding or reasoning capability, there's literally nothing guaranteeing that it has any semblance in fact or reality. They are just random text generators after all. Going by Anthropic's own numbers for things like Mythos, it "found" 29,439 vulnerabilities, when a human actually checked if the reports made any sense (ignoring validity) that dropped to around 6,200 reports, when they were tested for validity that further dropped to around 1,300 reports, and when it came time to actually patch the issues only 516 made the cut (i.e. the rest might have been issues, but weren't considered exploitable, etc.). 516 out of 29,439 is a 1.75% success rate, not exactly groundbreaking. Now to be fair, according to Greg KH at a recent talk, Mythos is seemingly improving. Of 79 vulnerabilities it reported, a solid 4 were real. That's a 5% success rate, though it performed much better when it simply reported other developers bug fixes, something it did 11 times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) And how many security vulnerabilities have you found? 516 is still a lot. One of those had been in the Linux kernal for decades. Edit: and many of those real ones from the 6000 group anthropic says the maintainers just didn't want to fix as it was outside their threat model. A vulnerability in the Linux kernal, is different than one on an alarm clock app or something less serious. Edit: And for people that don't know, this decades old linux exploit wasn't just a single bug it found. It was able to piece together multiple smaller exploits that it found, that led to being able to exploit this bigger bug. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago* (2 children) He's doing it though. So that's kind or moot. Fable is out there finding bugs in these things, so seems like if he is going to do it, using the thing that's already making it more secure by finding multiple exploits is the right choice of what to use. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Fable is out there finding bugs in these things Ehh, that's debatable. An LLM will gladly spit out a vulnerability report, but as LLMs lack any understanding or reasoning capability, there's literally nothing guaranteeing that it has any semblance in fact or reality. They are just random text generators after all. Going by Anthropic's own numbers for things like Mythos, it "found" 29,439 vulnerabilities, when a human actually checked if the reports made any sense (ignoring validity) that dropped to around 6,200 reports, when they were tested for validity that further dropped to around 1,300 reports, and when it came time to actually patch the issues only 516 made the cut (i.e. the rest might have been issues, but weren't considered exploitable, etc.). 516 out of 29,439 is a 1.75% success rate, not exactly groundbreaking. Now to be fair, according to Greg KH at a recent talk, Mythos is seemingly improving. Of 79 vulnerabilities it reported, a solid 4 were real. That's a 5% success rate, though it performed much better when it simply reported other developers bug fixes, something it did 11 times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) And how many security vulnerabilities have you found? 516 is still a lot. One of those had been in the Linux kernal for decades. Edit: and many of those real ones from the 6000 group anthropic says the maintainers just didn't want to fix as it was outside their threat model. A vulnerability in the Linux kernal, is different than one on an alarm clock app or something less serious. Edit: And for people that don't know, this decades old linux exploit wasn't just a single bug it found. It was able to piece together multiple smaller exploits that it found, that led to being able to exploit this bigger bug. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 5 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Fable is out there finding bugs in these things Ehh, that's debatable. An LLM will gladly spit out a vulnerability report, but as LLMs lack any understanding or reasoning capability, there's literally nothing guaranteeing that it has any semblance in fact or reality. They are just random text generators after all. Going by Anthropic's own numbers for things like Mythos, it "found" 29,439 vulnerabilities, when a human actually checked if the reports made any sense (ignoring validity) that dropped to around 6,200 reports, when they were tested for validity that further dropped to around 1,300 reports, and when it came time to actually patch the issues only 516 made the cut (i.e. the rest might have been issues, but weren't considered exploitable, etc.). 516 out of 29,439 is a 1.75% success rate, not exactly groundbreaking. Now to be fair, according to Greg KH at a recent talk, Mythos is seemingly improving. Of 79 vulnerabilities it reported, a solid 4 were real. That's a 5% success rate, though it performed much better when it simply reported other developers bug fixes, something it did 11 times. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) And how many security vulnerabilities have you found? 516 is still a lot. One of those had been in the Linux kernal for decades. Edit: and many of those real ones from the 6000 group anthropic says the maintainers just didn't want to fix as it was outside their threat model. A vulnerability in the Linux kernal, is different than one on an alarm clock app or something less serious. Edit: And for people that don't know, this decades old linux exploit wasn't just a single bug it found. It was able to piece together multiple smaller exploits that it found, that led to being able to exploit this bigger bug. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) And how many security vulnerabilities have you found? 516 is still a lot. One of those had been in the Linux kernal for decades. Edit: and many of those real ones from the 6000 group anthropic says the maintainers just didn't want to fix as it was outside their threat model. A vulnerability in the Linux kernal, is different than one on an alarm clock app or something less serious. Edit: And for people that don't know, this decades old linux exploit wasn't just a single bug it found. It was able to piece together multiple smaller exploits that it found, that led to being able to exploit this bigger bug. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] The_Decryptor@aussie.zone 15 points 4 weeks ago (4 children) He gets paid more than enough to afford high end hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (2 children) He definitely can afford it yes, but its still a big ask to want someone to spend 15-25k or whatever it would be (shits getting more expensive by the day) to use a tool that he can just do pay per use. The code is open source so its not like he'd be using a local llm to keep it private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wendell from Level1Techs built Greg KH a monster rig for free, I'm sure they'd be willing to build one for Linus too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago Dang, wish someone would build me one for free! Thats super cool of them though! permalink fedilink source parent [–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 1 point 4 weeks ago AMD Ryzen Threadripper 9960X GIGABYTE TRX50 AERO D Motherboard Samsung SSD 9100 PRO 2TB SSD Noctua NH-U14S TR5-SP6 Cooler Intel Arc B580 GPU Fractal Design Torrent E-ATX Case Seasonic PRIME TX-1600 1600W 80+ Titanium PSU ASUS ProArt Display PA32QCV 31.5" 6K HDR Monitor permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 5 points 4 weeks ago* (2 children) He definitely can afford it yes, but its still a big ask to want someone to spend 15-25k or whatever it would be (shits getting more expensive by the day) to use a tool that he can just do pay per use. The code is open source so its not like he'd be using a local llm to keep it private. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wendell from Level1Techs built Greg KH a monster rig for free, I'm sure they'd be willing to build one for Linus too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago Dang, wish someone would build me one for free! Thats super cool of them though! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 child) Wendell from Level1Techs built Greg KH a monster rig for free, I'm sure they'd be willing to build one for Linus too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago Dang, wish someone would build me one for free! Thats super cool of them though! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago Dang, wish someone would build me one for free! Thats super cool of them though! permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 1 point 4 weeks ago I'd definitely like someone to champion an open-weights model under 32 GB. But part of that desire is - I'm not sure they're there, yet. Local models are only a few months behind, but hoo boy, the last few months have been big. Coding models could be tiny, but distilled versions keep preserving pop-culture knowledge and world history, when reasoning through C++ requires essentially none of that. It needs the tokenization to recognize why a comment begins "Jesus Christ." It's fine for "treat the hash like Lot's wife" to go completely over its head. Keep the weights that know a regex for e-mails, not the capitol of Florida. If it speaks a dead language I want it to be Algol. permalink fedilink source parent
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