fyi: it's "drugs"

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[–] 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Current definition of consent actually excludes the apathetic/numb/freeze/fawn response you described. So yes consent is still enough, but only if its modern definition not outdated "they didn't resist strongly enough for me to feel bad and stop"

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Current definition of consent actually excludes the apathetic/numb/freeze/fawn response you described. So yes consent is still enough, but only if its modern definition not outdated “they didn’t resist strongly enough for me to feel bad and stop”

    Source?

    I haven't seen educational resources around consent ignore body language. I've seen plenty of men ignore women's freeze/fawn reactions, but never in the course of educating people on consent.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I said the same thing as you just did, please read again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    Current definition of consent actually excludes the apathetic/numb/freeze/fawn response you described.

    I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I just haven't seen this particular claim in actual educational areas about consent. What current definition are you using?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I meant "yes means Yes!" principle that some advocate for.

    I believe this is the source I first heard the idea from

    Article: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/08/the-dangerous-insufficiency-of-no-means-no/566465/

    Without paywall: https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fentertainment%2Farchive%2F2018%2F08%2Fthe-dangerous-insufficiency-of-no-means-no%2F566465%2F

    Basically the idea is that "No means no" is outdated and doesn't cover majority of rape cases where no one technically says no.

    The updated one to replace "No means no" is "Yes means Yes!", also called affirmative/enthusiastic consent or something.

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