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[–] 8 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I have a better idea. Let's punish rapists.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Hot take: People who focus on punishment rather than prevention don't really care about victims.

    I prefer a solution where a woman didn't get raped at all.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    Cold as the last ring of hell take: criminals must be punished. Without punishment men will continue raping, harassing, stalking, groping, etc. because they know they will be just fine, especially if they are in power.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Part of punishment is deterrence. Perpetrators are protected by their community and their wealth. They think that they won't get caught, and if they do get caught they won't get punished, and if they do get punished, the punishment will be minimal. Worst case scenario: daddy will hire an expensive lawyer to get them off the hook.

    Nobody would propose that we prevent murder by allowing murderers to get off scot-free and focusing on murder prevention.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Quips like that just sound like dismissive brain rot.

    Yes punish them, yes teach men to avoid toxic masculinity

    AND

    teach women to not reward toxic masculinity as well

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I'm not sure that you understand what toxic masculinity is. For one thing, a confident man isn't necessarily a rapist, and a meek, nerdy man isn't necessarily safe. Nerdy guys can hold ideas from toxic masculinity, too. There is no rapist bingo card that tells a woman whether a man is safe or not.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    You're right that dangerous individuals are impossible to spot from any traits like that. I am referring to toxic masculinity as a culture or environment, like chauvinism, condescending attitudes, sleaziness and so on, this is visible and obvious.

    I was saying that from my experience women can be very accepting of this behaviour and actively facilitate it depending on who is doing it. I gave an example of a situation involving people I knew well where they stood up for someone being an obvious pest because they found it fun or sexy in some way, while other women involved were mortified at the behaviour. Women can and do facilitate toxic masculinity, but the conversation is always directed at men like they are the only ones that interact with dodgy people

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