SabinStargem comments on US sanctions force The Netherlands off Microsoft and toward alternative NixOS-based software ecosystem

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 18 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Considering the Dutch have ASML, this seems an unwise move for the US. But then, the Dogey Confederates are working towards the destruction of the USA. 😒

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[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Considering the Dutch have ASML,

That's a card which only hurts ASML if played.

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[–] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If ASML has many competitors, then yes.

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[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

If ASML had many customers, then yes.

Intel is ASML's single largest customer, making up a full quarter of their income. TSMC is the next biggest, but all their current expansion is in USA, so they'd probably not be able to buy anything either.

Next then is Samsung who are also building out US fabs, but also new Korean fabs, so some of their business wouldn't be allowed.

Global Foundries would also be out.

ASML would have to survive losing 60% or more of their current income. They'd be gone in a year since EU countries don't/won't subsidise semiconductors. (see: The loss of Qimonda, Global Foundries stuck on 28nm in EU forever, etc)

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[–] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

ASML is the sole manufacturer of EUV machines in the world. Everyone needs ASML, not the other way around. There is no replacement for ASML.

ASML basically decides what they want to do. Right now they align with the USA export restrictions, but that friendly relation is not guaranteed to remain. Only China is banned. ASML can still sell their machines at will otherwise.

If ASML breaks with the USA it will be fine, but the USA won't be fine at all.

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[+] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

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[–] FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Not OP, but I don't understand your question.

As a US citizen, I try to say "The States" instead of America when talking about my country. I do that out of respect for all of the countries that call these two beautiful American continents home.

I admit to defaulting to "American" instead of a cumbersome "United Statesian" or the above "US Citizen." But that's what we grew up calling ourselves and told to call ourselves and our fellow countrymen.

"Just another American Country" seems like it would be insulting to Canada, Chile and all of our neighbors in between. I'm not sure my fellow Americans would even pick up that you were talking about the States unless you really layed on thick context.