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[–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

Okay first of all I'm saying I can't believe any culture or people anywhere ever has a detailed history of their ancestral habits 12,000 years ago, at least prior to modern anthropology. It's not a slight on Native Americans specifically.

For context, the Epic of Gilgamesh from Mesopotamia, generally regarded as the world's oldest surviving literature, is 4,000 years old.

I would genuinely love to see a source about this 80,000 year old oral history. I admit to being sceptical.

Secondly, it's not under an article about Mammoths existing 5,000 years ago. It's under a meme. A wrong meme.

I've thrown out 1 number, not 2. 12,000 years ago, or 10,000 BC. This is the same. It's also when Mammoths went extinct. I am consistent on this.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Yes 12kya and 10k bc are the same thing my bad. When it comes to that most ancient of ancient stories, it's the story of the formation of Budj Bim, and it's closer to 40kya not 80.

    There are plenty of younger stories (7-12kya) from the Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, as well. These people are not outliers. They were just able to carry these stories long enough through colonization that they made it to a point where some colonized folks cared enough to investigate them.

    Edit: Now that I've had a minute to refresh my mind, it looks like I was calling the average on two different stories. There is another story that tells of verifiable star movements from 100kya. Budj Bim was the oldest one that could verifiably be used as evidence of occupation of Australia.

    https://theconversation.com/the-worlds-oldest-story-astronomers-say-global-myths-about-seven-sisters-stars-may-reach-back-100-000-years-151568

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