ExcessShiv comments on Is this true in Germany aswell?

Is this true in Germany aswell? (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

submitted 1 month ago by dhkuq3645@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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Does anyone have experience with doing this in germany?

Thanks for any answers

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 141 points 1 month ago (28 children)

Don't even need to respond, just toss the letter. You will never hear from them again. But do use a VPN when torrenting from especially Germany.

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[–] dhkuq3645@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 19 points 1 month ago (19 children)

was there any case where this didn't happen

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[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 1 month ago* (17 children)

Not that I'm aware of.

They're fishing with a very large net. I once got a letter saying I illegally downloaded a movie I never downloaded, so their accuracy is also pretty horrible.

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[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Canadian here, I have received these letters in the past through my ISP, once for a dl I did (yeah I raw dogged it), and 1 or 2 from the kid that lives in my house. ISP says basically "We got this letter, we need to forward it to you, we have passed on no information to the sender. Please don't get caught doing this again. Thank you". Not sure what would happen if there were hundreds of files downloaded but my ISP is a pretty good one for doing the bare legal minimum to correct users.

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[–] BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Is your ISP TekSavvy by any chance?

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[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Ding ding ding!!!

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[–] BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I love TekSavvy, they’re the only ISP I’ve used that I haven’t had completely horrible experiences with. In fact, I’ve been with them for the last ~3 years and haven’t had a single complaint yet. My parents have been with them for even longer, probably around 10 years, and same deal. No issues.

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[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

I have set people up on their systems and their tech support actually listens to your question and answers it instead of taking the meandering each and every insignificant step. I switched to them about ~8 yrs ago and my only issues with them were actually with bell doing something to my connection cause it was in the way or something.

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[–] BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah their customer support has always been great in my experience. I got an offer from bell to switch a few months ago and it would’ve cut my price down a bit but it wasn’t worth dealing with them again. TekSavvy has been a great experience all around so I choose to stay loyal to them. The lower cost of bell or rogers isn’t worth the headache.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I feel like at this point even the ISPs are like "bruh just use a VPN this shit is annoying"

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[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

After talking to someone else at work using Rogers, their VPN shit the bed one night they forgot to stop the torrents, they got a similar letter.

At this point our ISPs should just automatically put us all on rotating non-logged VPNs as part of our packages we already get the modem as part of the service, just integrate it there (not sure if I'm being serious or silly)

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[–] WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

That's literally what they do. But they're required by law to be able to trace an IP address, so it doesn't help you. The copyright company asks for who was using this IP address at this time, and the ISP has to tell them.

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[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

The ISP keeps the record for 6 months, if the party claiming rights wants to prosecute they have that 6 months to go to a court in the users jurisdiction and ask the judge to grant this info (users name and address). If granted then the info will be retained for a year. Without the judges order all the rights holder has is an IP address that will have another person attached to it after a time

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[–] WarmApplePieShrek@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 1 month ago

Yes and the point of VPNs is that they don't do this

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[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Similar happened to me when I was on Starlink. Strongly worded letter to say don't do it again or further action would be taken. I told my adult kid to smarten up and make sure to use a VPN when tormenting games (which he already knew). Haven't had a letter since.

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[–] HerbGrower@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 month ago

They may as well have said please use a VPN to save us the cost of a stamp next time

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[–] dhkuq3645@lemmy.dbzer0.com [S] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

k thanks for ur help, tho why use a vpn when I can do that yk...

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[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 month ago (1 child)

Because they can and will try to compile a case on you if they can track significant amounts of upload from you. They will silently do that for years before knocking on your door.

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