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[–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (12 children) It is exactly what the mou said permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago (11 children) Maybe if you read it with Iran goggles lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (10 children) No, i read it as it is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) How do ships sailing through the Strait stop Iran from talking to Oman? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) The mou say oman and Iran would manage the straight together meaning them will have control of it, the usa wanted to create alternate routes inside the straight to continue the full scale war.. the usa is breach the second term which is the usa need to force Israel out of Lebanon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) The MoU says that Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait Can you cite the parts from the MoU where you read that "an alternative route (I assume not passing by Iran and paying a toll) would restart full scale war"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it's a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route It says shipping should restart immediately for 60 days without charges, and Iran can negotiate with Oman (and the other littoral states) for a future arrangement Feel free to cite from the text where you feel it says ships would have to do what Iran tells them (even within those 60 days) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it’s a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It doesn't matter, it was a condition that the USA did not respect , it not Iran fault that they sign the MOU. The usa did not use any leverages to put pressure on Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago (11 children) Maybe if you read it with Iran goggles lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (10 children) No, i read it as it is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) How do ships sailing through the Strait stop Iran from talking to Oman? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) The mou say oman and Iran would manage the straight together meaning them will have control of it, the usa wanted to create alternate routes inside the straight to continue the full scale war.. the usa is breach the second term which is the usa need to force Israel out of Lebanon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) The MoU says that Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait Can you cite the parts from the MoU where you read that "an alternative route (I assume not passing by Iran and paying a toll) would restart full scale war"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it's a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route It says shipping should restart immediately for 60 days without charges, and Iran can negotiate with Oman (and the other littoral states) for a future arrangement Feel free to cite from the text where you feel it says ships would have to do what Iran tells them (even within those 60 days) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it’s a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It doesn't matter, it was a condition that the USA did not respect , it not Iran fault that they sign the MOU. The usa did not use any leverages to put pressure on Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (10 children) No, i read it as it is permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) How do ships sailing through the Strait stop Iran from talking to Oman? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) The mou say oman and Iran would manage the straight together meaning them will have control of it, the usa wanted to create alternate routes inside the straight to continue the full scale war.. the usa is breach the second term which is the usa need to force Israel out of Lebanon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) The MoU says that Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait Can you cite the parts from the MoU where you read that "an alternative route (I assume not passing by Iran and paying a toll) would restart full scale war"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it's a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route It says shipping should restart immediately for 60 days without charges, and Iran can negotiate with Oman (and the other littoral states) for a future arrangement Feel free to cite from the text where you feel it says ships would have to do what Iran tells them (even within those 60 days) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it’s a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It doesn't matter, it was a condition that the USA did not respect , it not Iran fault that they sign the MOU. The usa did not use any leverages to put pressure on Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (9 children) How do ships sailing through the Strait stop Iran from talking to Oman? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) The mou say oman and Iran would manage the straight together meaning them will have control of it, the usa wanted to create alternate routes inside the straight to continue the full scale war.. the usa is breach the second term which is the usa need to force Israel out of Lebanon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) The MoU says that Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait Can you cite the parts from the MoU where you read that "an alternative route (I assume not passing by Iran and paying a toll) would restart full scale war"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it's a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route It says shipping should restart immediately for 60 days without charges, and Iran can negotiate with Oman (and the other littoral states) for a future arrangement Feel free to cite from the text where you feel it says ships would have to do what Iran tells them (even within those 60 days) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it’s a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It doesn't matter, it was a condition that the USA did not respect , it not Iran fault that they sign the MOU. The usa did not use any leverages to put pressure on Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (8 children) The mou say oman and Iran would manage the straight together meaning them will have control of it, the usa wanted to create alternate routes inside the straight to continue the full scale war.. the usa is breach the second term which is the usa need to force Israel out of Lebanon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) The MoU says that Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait Can you cite the parts from the MoU where you read that "an alternative route (I assume not passing by Iran and paying a toll) would restart full scale war"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it's a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route It says shipping should restart immediately for 60 days without charges, and Iran can negotiate with Oman (and the other littoral states) for a future arrangement Feel free to cite from the text where you feel it says ships would have to do what Iran tells them (even within those 60 days) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it’s a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It doesn't matter, it was a condition that the USA did not respect , it not Iran fault that they sign the MOU. The usa did not use any leverages to put pressure on Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (7 children) The MoU says that Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait Can you cite the parts from the MoU where you read that "an alternative route (I assume not passing by Iran and paying a toll) would restart full scale war"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it's a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route It says shipping should restart immediately for 60 days without charges, and Iran can negotiate with Oman (and the other littoral states) for a future arrangement Feel free to cite from the text where you feel it says ships would have to do what Iran tells them (even within those 60 days) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it’s a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It doesn't matter, it was a condition that the USA did not respect , it not Iran fault that they sign the MOU. The usa did not use any leverages to put pressure on Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (6 children) Iran should use its best efforts to let commercial vessels pass safely with no charge for 60 days Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Iran will conduct dialog with Oman to define the future administration in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it's a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route It says shipping should restart immediately for 60 days without charges, and Iran can negotiate with Oman (and the other littoral states) for a future arrangement Feel free to cite from the text where you feel it says ships would have to do what Iran tells them (even within those 60 days) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it’s a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It doesn't matter, it was a condition that the USA did not respect , it not Iran fault that they sign the MOU. The usa did not use any leverages to put pressure on Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (5 children) Only if the usa respected all terms which they didn't Point 1 : The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran and their allies in the current war by signing this MoU, declare the immediate and permanent termination of military operations on all fronts, including in Lebanon**___** Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it's a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It means the decision will be made by both countries together, it didn't say the usa could pass from an alternate route It says shipping should restart immediately for 60 days without charges, and Iran can negotiate with Oman (and the other littoral states) for a future arrangement Feel free to cite from the text where you feel it says ships would have to do what Iran tells them (even within those 60 days) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it’s a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It doesn't matter, it was a condition that the USA did not respect , it not Iran fault that they sign the MOU. The usa did not use any leverages to put pressure on Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (4 children) Neither Iran nor the USA managed to stop their allies from fighting in Lebanon, so it’s a quite weak to point there to justify restarting the fighting in the Strait It doesn't matter, it was a condition that the USA did not respect , it not Iran fault that they sign the MOU. The usa did not use any leverages to put pressure on Israel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children) So both Iran and the USA failed on that point, but it's only the USA's fault and means Iran can fire on innocent people? Interesting logic permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago (2 children) No the USA failed. The USA signed the MOU then did nothing to pressure Israel to get out. Since the USA breached it first , Iran has the right to nullify it . When you have an existential threat like Iran had you have the right to use all means necessary to prevent it that's why it is ok when Ukraine hit oil refineries which are not military target where innocent people work . Those ships just had to follow the right route. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] couldhavebeenyou@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (1 child) "Breached it first"? "The right route"? Even if you think the MoU was a great idea, none of this is in there permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumimevlevi@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 month ago Yes , iran has the right to defend itself against a terrorist threat from the USA permalink fedilink source parent