▲ 391 ▼ I don't like passkeys | Ethan Hawksley (hawksley.dev) submitted 1 month ago by lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com to c/technology@lemmy.world 150 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 16 points 1 month ago (4 children) You think big tech did this to save… on … CPU costs of password resets? This is actually really what you think? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago (2 children) Not the commenter, but they're not taking about CPU costs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Fair, but costs of resets overall. This is not a factor in tech giant costs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) You world be very surprised. It's not what I directly work on, but there are entire programs dedicated to tracking and lowering the cost of password and account resets (and doing it securely). That last part is the hard thing. Large organizations can save millions of dollars if they can get people to not lose/forget their credentials -or- self service those resets (but even then, having that person do it is now losing their time and energy). It's not just indirect opportunity costs either, it's direct costs to the IT organization. Smaller teams can absorb this stuff as a rounding error on their time, but the second you're counting in the thousands, you need to deal with this type of thing. (And I'll repeat: securely) Now imagine doing it as a B2C+B2B organization like Google or Microsoft. The costs are staggering. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Not CPU costs, processing costs. Password resets are actually quite expensive. Microsoft and Google pushed the FIDO Alliance toward widespread use of a passwordless login credential because it benefited them. Google and MS get tens of millions of password resets a year. So if each one of those cost them $2 (some companies spend as much as $70 on each one if a human is involved), that's literally tens of millions of dollars saved. Then you say "oh, for security" as the tie-in to not make it about your bottom line. https://www.authx.com/blog/how-much-does-a-password-reset-cost/ https://journal.jadaptive.com/the-true-cost-of-password-resets/ https://www.m365.fm/passwords-are-broken-passkeys-fix-everything/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago (2 children) Not the commenter, but they're not taking about CPU costs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Fair, but costs of resets overall. This is not a factor in tech giant costs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) You world be very surprised. It's not what I directly work on, but there are entire programs dedicated to tracking and lowering the cost of password and account resets (and doing it securely). That last part is the hard thing. Large organizations can save millions of dollars if they can get people to not lose/forget their credentials -or- self service those resets (but even then, having that person do it is now losing their time and energy). It's not just indirect opportunity costs either, it's direct costs to the IT organization. Smaller teams can absorb this stuff as a rounding error on their time, but the second you're counting in the thousands, you need to deal with this type of thing. (And I'll repeat: securely) Now imagine doing it as a B2C+B2B organization like Google or Microsoft. The costs are staggering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sunbeam60@feddit.uk 5 points 1 month ago (1 child) Fair, but costs of resets overall. This is not a factor in tech giant costs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) You world be very surprised. It's not what I directly work on, but there are entire programs dedicated to tracking and lowering the cost of password and account resets (and doing it securely). That last part is the hard thing. Large organizations can save millions of dollars if they can get people to not lose/forget their credentials -or- self service those resets (but even then, having that person do it is now losing their time and energy). It's not just indirect opportunity costs either, it's direct costs to the IT organization. Smaller teams can absorb this stuff as a rounding error on their time, but the second you're counting in the thousands, you need to deal with this type of thing. (And I'll repeat: securely) Now imagine doing it as a B2C+B2B organization like Google or Microsoft. The costs are staggering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TrumpetX@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) You world be very surprised. It's not what I directly work on, but there are entire programs dedicated to tracking and lowering the cost of password and account resets (and doing it securely). That last part is the hard thing. Large organizations can save millions of dollars if they can get people to not lose/forget their credentials -or- self service those resets (but even then, having that person do it is now losing their time and energy). It's not just indirect opportunity costs either, it's direct costs to the IT organization. Smaller teams can absorb this stuff as a rounding error on their time, but the second you're counting in the thousands, you need to deal with this type of thing. (And I'll repeat: securely) Now imagine doing it as a B2C+B2B organization like Google or Microsoft. The costs are staggering. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 1 point 1 month ago Not CPU costs, processing costs. Password resets are actually quite expensive. Microsoft and Google pushed the FIDO Alliance toward widespread use of a passwordless login credential because it benefited them. Google and MS get tens of millions of password resets a year. So if each one of those cost them $2 (some companies spend as much as $70 on each one if a human is involved), that's literally tens of millions of dollars saved. Then you say "oh, for security" as the tie-in to not make it about your bottom line. https://www.authx.com/blog/how-much-does-a-password-reset-cost/ https://journal.jadaptive.com/the-true-cost-of-password-resets/ https://www.m365.fm/passwords-are-broken-passkeys-fix-everything/ permalink fedilink source parent