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[+] 5 points 1 month ago (13 children)
  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Here are some interesting recent pro-violence comments from user, 'Burn_The_Right'. And just in case you don't read this comment all the way to the end, he says, "As long as conservatives are permitted to live, they will continue oppressing us to death."

    Some highlights:

    "I frequently advocate for vi----ce against conservatives from within the U.S. I believe it's possible to mass delete nazis and engage in vi----ce against them without ever violating any laws. Speaking about properly finishing the civil war almost always results in those comments being removed or, in some cases, me being banned from the community. I don't think being trolled is the problem. I think not being able to discuss the only viable solutions to an infestation of conservatives is the problem. We're being made fun of for not [redacted] conservatives. They are right. We won't even discuss it. The solution to the conservative problem is to not have conservatives. But discussing how we arrive at that solution is forbidden speech."

    and

    "That requires us to finish a civil war and discussing that is prohibited on every social media platform, including this one."

    and

    "With Dem leadership being controlled opposition, the only people who can hold anyone accountable are the citizens. But, discussing the solutions here will get the comment removed. So how can resistance communities grow, communicate and formulate plans to address it when all social media platforms, including Lemmy, aggressively censor any honest discussion of the only real solution to this problem? Switching now to the completely unrelated topic of pest control, we need an industrial scale solution to deal with over 100 million cockroaches in the US."

    And

    "All conservatives are fascists and need to be dealt with. This is long overdue. Disowning conservatives has done nothing to change how truly, deeply evil they are. As long as conservatives are permitted to live, they will continue oppressing us to death. They have forced us into this. It really, truly is us or them. There is no peaceful solution. This time, though, we need to actually finish the job."

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

    Oh, so you haven't seen anyone on Lemmy who advocates for violence? Take a look at the modlog for politics@lemmy.world. Or the standard mod log for all the instances and see how many people get their comments removed or get banned for advocating violence.

    Just on the first page of politics world mod log there are 4 comment removals for advocating violence and 1 ban involving a user who also has violence violations.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (10 children)
  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (9 children)

    Do you think those are the only comments on Lemmy advocating for violence? There are also plenty that don't get removed.

    Just go ahead and say that someone advocating for violence against political opponents doesn't bother you. That's fine if you to think that. We don't have to agree on whether that's a bad thing or not. But don't pretend it's not on Lemmy.

    There have been some recent threads about people actually quitting Lemmy because of violence-spouting trolls and extremists. KYS comments are pretty common too.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    Maybe you are seeing it but I don't see it at all. So I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I'm not advocating for violence but I also don't see whatever it is you're seeing. I also haven't seen any threads of people quitting lemmy because of other people talking about violence. Unless you can actually link to something I have really no evidence that what you're saying is true. Hence the "five...?"

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    And I noticed these just today, right after I sent my previous comment to you:

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

    I guess good on the mods then for taking that crap down? Because I'm on politics and I don't see that. Yeah once while somebody makes a guillotine comment but that's about it. The stuff those were removed for I don't ever see. Also I clicked around and I don't know how to get to the mods list so

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    To see mod actions, just press the button that says "modlog" on your main page. So for lemmy.world here ya go: https://lemmy.world/modlog It's wild to see some of the shit that people post that break rules. Insults, trolling, spam, ads, violence, misinformation, etc.

    I guess good on the mods then for taking that crap down?

    And those are just the comments that actually get removed. Plenty stay up, and others remain visible for hours before a moderator gets to them. As the examples I posted show, several of those comments had already been upvoted before they were removed.

    That was my original point: I see a lot of pro-violence comments on Lemmy. You said you don't see them, but I do.

    Now, since I've decided to stayed out of, and block, political communities and started blocking people who post that kind of stuff, I see it less than I used to. But even with my huge block list, I still run into it.

    I'm not saying this describes the majority of Lemmy users. But I see more open approval of violence here than I do in most other online communities, and I think that hurts Lemmy's growth.

    I don't mind Lemmy being the wild west of the internet. I don't want everything sanitized into some PG-13 corporate crap. But the calls for violence get excessive, and they've made me feel more uneasy about Lemmy lately. It gets especially bad whenever something like the Luigi Mangione case or the Charlie Kirk shooting makes the news.

    The reaction to the Luigi case was probably when it first hit me. I have no love for health insurance CEOs, but walking up to somebody on a sidewalk and killing him in cold blood isn't something I can applaud. Ever.

    When the charlie kirk thing happen, people were putting gifs of cartoons with blood spurting out of necks in comments, and people were laughing and upvoting and loving it. Ewww. WTF?!

    So fuck no, I don't want to stand in line with random Lemmy posters during an election, even tho we'll probably vote for the same things. Thank god for mail-in ballots in my area. lol

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think when it comes down to it you are on the internet and you are going to see French stuff no matter what. That's what mods are for. You can't really place blame on an entire community because of a handful of people. If they're even people and not bots. That being said I'm not going to care or get sad if people make fun of a fascist who's killed. I don't care if somebody makes pictures of Hitler getting killed so I don't really care for any fascist including Kirk. We literally fought a war against them and killed them. It doesn't really make me blink.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    And that's fine. You're free to see it that way.

    But when you replied, "So...five?" it seems that you were downplaying the broader pattern because I only listed a handful of examples. So I listed many more.

    My original statement was: "Based on how many Lemmings I see openly advocating for (and cheering) violence lately, I can see why some may worry about what's gonna happen." I still stand by that.

    What I'm pushing back on is your implication that there were few examples. You've acknowledged seeing some yourself. We disagree on how much they matter. But that doesn't make my point less valid.

    At this point, it seems less like you believe this rhetoric doesn't exist and more like you simply don't find it especially concerning. Which again, is fine. But has nothing to do with my original statement/opinion.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Maybe you are seeing it but I don’t see it at all.

    I am, but I'm glad you aren't seeing it.

    Feel free to check the public modlogs, especially on Lemmy.world and communities like !politics@lemmy.world. Their Rule 6 specifically prohibits celebrating death and advocating violence, and moderation actions are publicly listed in the modlog. Spend a week or two checking the modlogs every morning and you'll get a much different picture than you get just from browsing your normal feed.

    I'm guessing you also weren't spending much time in the political threads during the Charlie Kirk shooting, the assassination attempts against president, the No Kings protests, or the Luigi Mangione news cycle. Lucky you. Those were exactly the kinds of threads where I repeatedly saw guillotine comments, "kill the CEOs" types of comments, "violent revolution is the only thing that will change anything," and comments wishing an attempted assassin had better aim.

    It's also the reason that I now stay out of most political threads on Lemmy.

    That doesn't mean every Lemmy user talks like that, obviously. But saying you've personally never seen it is very different from saying it doesn't happen.

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