▲ 470 ▼ Thank god the debt got blown up so that suppressors are tax free (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 year ago by MarriedCavelady50@lemmy.ml to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world 309 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] ameancow@lemmy.world -10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] TheCleric@lemmy.org 18 points 1 year ago Those systems were forced into city budgets even though they’re highly prone to mistakes and mostly useless. It was basically some sweetheart deal for the company that manufactures it, and placed almost entirely in lower income neighborhoods. Fuck that stupid ass bloatware—not to mention fuck the eavesdropping machines that they really are. Sensitive microphones and you think the cops are only using that access to listen for gunshots? Fuuuuck no. permalink fedilink source parent [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago makes an incorrect claim, gets factually proven wrong "I dOn'T cAAAAAAAAAAAAArE!!!! pOsTiNg SoUrCeS iS sPaMmInG!!!!!! sToP fRoThInG!!!!!!!" lmao. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* Cops regularly call the company and ask them to "find" gunshots in convenient locations. They're just another tool of oppression. https://sls.eff.org/technologies/gunshot-detection permalink fedilink source parent [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) I'm well aware of shotspotter systems. with great accuracy and provide rapid response This is provably false. Shotspotter is incredibly inaccurate, the false positive rate is EXTREME (84% false positive rate). Even when it does correctly detect a gunshot, this information is of almost no value to police. 0.9% of shotspotter detections led to seizure of a firearm and 0.7% of detections led to an arrest. This means that literally over 99% of shotspotter detections are wrong or unhelpful. It's a totally bunk system that does not work and provides no value to a community's safety. https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2024/12/05/new-study-nypd-shotspotter-gunshot-detection-is-wildly-inaccurate/ The most value shotspotter has to police has literally nothing to do with guns or suppressors. The shotspotter towers can be used as general surveillance of the public, because the microphone systems are able to record human voices, and these recordings have even been used as evidence in court to make convictions. https://sls.eff.org/technologies/gunshot-detection It is actually a major waste of police resources as they constantly respond to false positives and dead end leads with no useful information. Shotspotter is so ineffective and wasteful that many cities are canceling their contracts. https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/dayton-not-renewing-contract-with-shotspotter-program/PYYGLLNVRJGUHEAF4OSJJ7K4NA/ Suppressors would have almost no impact on how effective shotspotter systems are, regardless of the fact they are only 0.9% effective anyway and can't really get any worse, but because the gunshots when using a suppressor are still loud enough to cause hearing loss and would still theoretically be detected by these microphone systems. From the company's own promotional material: https://www.soundthinking.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FAQ-June-2019.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ameancow@lemmy.world -12 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) These aren't my feelings, they are facts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ameancow@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago But that's just like the story your brain wrote to explain how you feel about reality permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Those are mostly bullshit and used to excuse militarized police incursions into poor black neighborhoods. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheCleric@lemmy.org 18 points 1 year ago Those systems were forced into city budgets even though they’re highly prone to mistakes and mostly useless. It was basically some sweetheart deal for the company that manufactures it, and placed almost entirely in lower income neighborhoods. Fuck that stupid ass bloatware—not to mention fuck the eavesdropping machines that they really are. Sensitive microphones and you think the cops are only using that access to listen for gunshots? Fuuuuck no. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago makes an incorrect claim, gets factually proven wrong "I dOn'T cAAAAAAAAAAAAArE!!!! pOsTiNg SoUrCeS iS sPaMmInG!!!!!! sToP fRoThInG!!!!!!!" lmao. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ssroxnak@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* Cops regularly call the company and ask them to "find" gunshots in convenient locations. They're just another tool of oppression. https://sls.eff.org/technologies/gunshot-detection permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children) I'm well aware of shotspotter systems. with great accuracy and provide rapid response This is provably false. Shotspotter is incredibly inaccurate, the false positive rate is EXTREME (84% false positive rate). Even when it does correctly detect a gunshot, this information is of almost no value to police. 0.9% of shotspotter detections led to seizure of a firearm and 0.7% of detections led to an arrest. This means that literally over 99% of shotspotter detections are wrong or unhelpful. It's a totally bunk system that does not work and provides no value to a community's safety. https://www.forbes.com/sites/larsdaniel/2024/12/05/new-study-nypd-shotspotter-gunshot-detection-is-wildly-inaccurate/ The most value shotspotter has to police has literally nothing to do with guns or suppressors. The shotspotter towers can be used as general surveillance of the public, because the microphone systems are able to record human voices, and these recordings have even been used as evidence in court to make convictions. https://sls.eff.org/technologies/gunshot-detection It is actually a major waste of police resources as they constantly respond to false positives and dead end leads with no useful information. Shotspotter is so ineffective and wasteful that many cities are canceling their contracts. https://www.daytondailynews.com/local/dayton-not-renewing-contract-with-shotspotter-program/PYYGLLNVRJGUHEAF4OSJJ7K4NA/ Suppressors would have almost no impact on how effective shotspotter systems are, regardless of the fact they are only 0.9% effective anyway and can't really get any worse, but because the gunshots when using a suppressor are still loud enough to cause hearing loss and would still theoretically be detected by these microphone systems. From the company's own promotional material: https://www.soundthinking.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FAQ-June-2019.pdf permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] ameancow@lemmy.world -12 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) These aren't my feelings, they are facts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ameancow@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago But that's just like the story your brain wrote to explain how you feel about reality permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ameancow@lemmy.world -12 points 1 year ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) These aren't my feelings, they are facts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ameancow@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago But that's just like the story your brain wrote to explain how you feel about reality permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children) These aren't my feelings, they are facts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] ameancow@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago But that's just like the story your brain wrote to explain how you feel about reality permalink fedilink source parent
[+] ameancow@lemmy.world -13 points 1 year ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago But that's just like the story your brain wrote to explain how you feel about reality permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago But that's just like the story your brain wrote to explain how you feel about reality permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago Those are mostly bullshit and used to excuse militarized police incursions into poor black neighborhoods. permalink fedilink source parent