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"Taiwan is a dictatorship, South korea is occupied land by the US, Ukraine is a puppet state" ~The Tankie mod of memes@lemmy.ml (infosec.pub)
submitted 1 month ago by to c/meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
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[–] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

Yes Ukraine the "weapons platform" that has to beg to be supplied ammunition. I will say that Western countries have used the Ukraine war as a testing field for modern weapon systems. However, I will laugh in your face if you tell me with any hint of seriousness you believe it's a US pawn. Ukraine is a European wildcard that rembers and resents the Russian Empire and is only allied with Nato for ammo and logistical support. It's not a secret that Nato is not friendly to Russia and wants to balkanize it, however Nato would never have had the balls to ever attack or threaten Russia. The reason Nato wants to balkanize Russia is that it keeps attacking neighbors and engaging in covert actions against western countries. If Russia had actually worked towards developing itself and it's European connections in the 1990s and 2000s it would be in a far better place. Rember that the USSR didn't collapse its states willingly dissolved it as soon as they had a chance to slip the collar of Moscow.

Russia rich in resources but destitute for leadership.

If you want I can steer you towards a very nice video essay series that goes over some of this with its sources cited that can help you branch off further

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    I will say that Western countries have used the Ukraine war as a testing field for modern weapon systems.

    Most new weapons systems they use are developed in Ukraine not in West. West supplies traditional weapons all the new drone shit is domestic mostly.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    The problem, from my perspective, is my "truth detector" is basically, "how much do they shit on the United States?" The more shitting there is, is the truthier the commenter. Throw in a few references like "hegemon" and "Epstein Class" and I'm a happy kitten.

    I think what's most important to me is to counter-program years of US indoctrination, and seeing the US as a malign actor on the world stage is really the main ticket of entry.

    That said, I have not completely taken leave of my senses and, yeah, the defenses of invading Ukraine never sat right with me. because territorial sovereigty is a core value of mine, and Russia has quite the habit of doing so and the defenses seem pretty far fetched.

    I guess the sad reality is that in this space that everyone is selling something.

    So, yes, if you'd like to put me onto a good YouTube series on Ukraine, I'll have a listen.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I think your lie detector is broken mate. I could arbitrarily pick a country to shit on and fill pages. It doesn't make my rants accurate. Your truth detector should be based on verifiable facts and information.... Anyways, open my profile and look at my most recent post.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    There's truth detector and there's worldview that explains what is happening and can predict what will happen and can predict would happen if something novel occurred.

    A collection of facts is really only interesting in if it supports or detracts from world view and what I'm looking for is an outlet that synthesizes facts and contextualizes it within a worldview, while at the same time, you know, prioritizing the truth value of claims over their ability to support their worldview/narrative.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I mean yeah. The worst part about being willing to listen and change you mind, is that people want you on their side. Even if you opinion is 80%, 95% of another person's, if you are not on the same page idealogically, you are wrong.

    That's kinda how humans work though, not even in a sinister way. There is plenty of sinister people who know and try to exploit that shit. But people love team sports because we naturally love to form into teams. People will unknowingly create teams out of anything and then create methods to identify if you are in our out.

    When you have an open mind enough to actually listen to these arguments and try to form an opinion, or approach a topic trying to have your mind changed, people on a team will treat you like you're fucking stupid.

    You seem like you are engaging in good faith which is the highest complement you can give a person on a text forum.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Kind of the fun of talking with people is finding out where you're wrong. I'll often say something I suspect is wrong in the hopes that someone will show me the light...

    It got harder to do that on reddit, where if one toe was out of line, you were treated as a bad actor. And, partially, I get it. In large groups, there are more trolls and people's patience is thinner. On the other hand, mob mentality is real...

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