It seems the fediverse is continuing and growing again. Line go up is probably good!

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https://fediverse.observer/stats&months=50

Total users are huge now.

There are many websites out there that pull data from the fediverse. So take that with a grain of salt. But anecdotally I am seeing a small rise in people using the various platforms as each get more mature and servers somewhat stabilize.

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[–] 23 points 1 month ago (16 children)

I don't think there would be anything stopping them spinning up instances. It would be up to others whether they want to see their posts though.

I'm a leftie but I can handle having a conversation about immigration, as long as it's mature, lucid and respectful.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Well then you're in the minority. I do think it's a problem that you can't post what on most other platforms would be viewed as mainstream viewpoints without being threatened by censorship. And I do not agree with these viewpoints but at the same time, if the average person cannot post here without walking on eggshells, the fediverse will never be mainstream.

    And I want it to be mainstream because fuck the tech oligarchs.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    People learning what the overton window is and that it can be very much different depending on the place you are in (i.e. instances in the case of the fediverse, but also to a lesser extend the fediverse itself) is a good thing in my view.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They're not going to learn about it because most people who join the fediverse end up leaving and they don't recruit anyone else.

    The Overton window would be moved by people being exposed to far left ideas and finding them more reasonable than expected. But the community does a very poor job of doing that currently.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    It's far worse than that: after leaving they continue to talk about us, as someone might do for an unfaithful ex, trashing our reputation. We can be toxic AF here, with little to no warning labels about which spaces have what echo chamber policies in place; only people with extraordinarily thick skins can stand this space, especially for long periods of time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I don't quite agree. The people that leave silently (the overwhelimingly large majority) don't leave as an active decision, but rather fail to come back because there isn't enough interest (or nagging notifications).

    And for people to realize their overton window is scewed to the right it is sufficient to be exposed to left wing ideas, no need to find them reasonable. The regular existence of these ideas in discourse is sufficient.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You can post racist drivel here, it will just be rightfully treated like it is.

    What you can’t do on mainstream platforms is post leftist content, which you actually can here. Like Lemmy was pretty much invented because leftists got their comm banned from Reddit. They routinely censor us, like with Meta shutting down countless queer pages and spaces as of late.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Reddit is full of left leaning subs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    just because you lean left it doesn't mean you are left. It means your ass is still squarely in the center. Being "Leftist" is to have the tacit understanding that the far right means to eradicate progressive thought by any means necessary, and that any threats of violence from "our" side are spoken from a place of self defence. The right does not want "discussion" to lead to compromise, they want it to lead to compliance. Besides, we've "been having the discussion" since the 1970's and as every hostage negotiator knows: if you keep them talking, they aren't acting. It's a stalling tactic.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    As others have said, you can make your own instance for wrong beliefs. Perhaps painting a target on your forehead would help with the feelings of being persecuted.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    The fediverse is not a safe space, excepting a few instances like blahaj.

    People can and should make instances for different philosophies but my concern is that any instance that doesn't enforce leftist purity is going to be defederated.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    It's probably worth remembering that censorship and moderation are two sides of the same coin.

    And they're not just used to silence viewpoints (like you're saying about the Fediverse) but also an absence of it is exploited to keep people addicted to ragebait and jealousy (mainstream).

    I think it's a fundamental problem of social media as a technology tbh, and we'd be mostly better off without it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    the only discussion about immigration should be "If you don't like immigrants, then stop supporting foreign policies that make their countries of origin shitholes, so they don't want to leave in the first place."

    Oh no! but that might mean BROWN PEOPLE have (GASP!) "agency!!!" (Clutches pearls and faints)

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