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Why don’t we separate the art from the artist? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 month ago by ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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With the rise of cancel culture, it’s something that’s got me curious, why are so many works (music, literature, tv shows, etc.) no longer separated from their controversial makers? Is it purely to do with money (e.g. not wanting to give money to people you don’t agree with?) and what about controversial people who are dead? They don’t gain anything, so why isn’t the art separated from the artist? What’s your opinion on this topic?

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago* (35 children)

Huh?

Edit: oh, ok nvm. Well I’m not conservative. Fuck the conservatives

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 1 month ago (24 children)

if that's true, you might want to interrogate why you so readily buy into their framing.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -2 points 1 month ago (23 children)

Are you talking in terms of a legal/political definition of cancel culture I presume, because I wasn’t.

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 month ago (22 children)

yea, this combined with "Oh don't start..." further down the thread, I'm all set. you've got that "just asking questions here!" vibe that got old like fifteen years ago.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -3 points 1 month ago (21 children)

That’s because I didn’t want people to bring politics into this, because the post wasn’t about politics. I’d appreciate it if people could stop behaving like the media and trying to turn everything about politics. That is all. Thank you.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Everything is about politics.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -3 points 1 month ago (19 children)

Bullshit. There was a time in history when there was no politics (modern, etc.) and human being survived (arguably they even thrived). People try to twist anything into politics now, it doesn’t mean it has to be, if even it were possible, but not so

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (15 children)

"Cancel culture" is not able to be parted from politics.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Depends on the definition. I’m not talking about a political definition, more the raw human emotion of rejecting something for whatever reason they don’t like it — not because it fits into some political ‘theology’

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (13 children)

more the raw human emotion of rejecting something for whatever reason they don’t like it

That's politics.

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

That's a remarkably succinct definition of politics.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -1 points 1 month ago* (11 children)

That’s what we call politics, but was not always so. Again, just because we define politics in a modern sense, doesn’t make it always was

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 month ago (10 children)

seems like you're not really sure what you're arguing.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -1 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Who are you again?

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

They're a participant in this conversation. What's it to you?

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -2 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

All I’m saying is: I disagree that politics and art are inherently linked/inseparable. What’s so hard to understand about my point here?

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Then talk about that instead of trying to shame someone out of conversing with you on this topic.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

Ok, so I’ll ask you a sensible question: what is your specific definition of politics?

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I still want to know what your definition of politics is, because this:

I’m not talking about a political definition, more the raw human emotion of rejecting something for whatever reason they don’t like it

is baffling to me.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

I agree with Velma’s definition. The problem is, she’s claiming it means something it doesnt

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

I agree with Velma’s definition. The problem is, she’s claiming it means something it doesnt

Oh do tell us.

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

So what does it mean?

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 month ago

there it is!

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What do you think politics is, exactly, that it can be so easily excised from... history, or whatever it is that humans do?

I don't think there's any point in human history that doesn't have politics deeply ingrained. I don't even think history as a concept can exist without politics. Someone has to decide what to write down.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

Well, are we born with politics?

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

Of course we are. As Billy J put it: we didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world's been turning.

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[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 5 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Well I’m not conservative. Fuck the conservatives

This is the first thing most conservatives say right before they start offering opinions on traditional gender roles, homophobia, transphobia, isolationism, nationalism, and a whole myriad of other things that tells us you need to read more broadly and stop listening to Joe Rogan.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Yes but I’m not going to do so. Because I am genuinely not conservative.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Maybe now is the time to explore why you feel so strongly about cancel culture and how people should separate art from the artist then.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Mainly because in my country we have too much examples of stuff ‘cancelled’ because of the maker’s bad behaviour, that’s why I find it a semi interesting topic.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

the maker’s bad behaviour,

Now I'm curious what your personal line is on how bad a maker has to be before the product is tainted for you.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I’m sure you are

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Really not beating those accusations of being conservative, are ya?

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don’t care what other people think. I know what I am

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

What’s your opinion on this topic?

You literally posted this to ask what other people think.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -1 points 1 month ago

Exactly. To see, not to care. May I ask you 1 final question?

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