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Why don’t we separate the art from the artist? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 month ago by ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

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With the rise of cancel culture, it’s something that’s got me curious, why are so many works (music, literature, tv shows, etc.) no longer separated from their controversial makers? Is it purely to do with money (e.g. not wanting to give money to people you don’t agree with?) and what about controversial people who are dead? They don’t gain anything, so why isn’t the art separated from the artist? What’s your opinion on this topic?

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -2 points 1 month ago (57 children)

No idea, why is that?

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 1 month ago (36 children)

the first six words of your post might have said more than you meant to.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago* (35 children)

Huh?

Edit: oh, ok nvm. Well I’m not conservative. Fuck the conservatives

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 11 points 1 month ago (24 children)

if that's true, you might want to interrogate why you so readily buy into their framing.

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 1 month ago (22 children)

yea, this combined with "Oh don't start..." further down the thread, I'm all set. you've got that "just asking questions here!" vibe that got old like fifteen years ago.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] -3 points 1 month ago (21 children)

That’s because I didn’t want people to bring politics into this, because the post wasn’t about politics. I’d appreciate it if people could stop behaving like the media and trying to turn everything about politics. That is all. Thank you.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (20 children)

Everything is about politics.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (15 children)

"Cancel culture" is not able to be parted from politics.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago (14 children)

Depends on the definition. I’m not talking about a political definition, more the raw human emotion of rejecting something for whatever reason they don’t like it — not because it fits into some political ‘theology’

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (13 children)

more the raw human emotion of rejecting something for whatever reason they don’t like it

That's politics.

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 month ago (10 children)

seems like you're not really sure what you're arguing.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

They're a participant in this conversation. What's it to you?

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Then talk about that instead of trying to shame someone out of conversing with you on this topic.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 1 month ago (4 children)

Ok, so I’ll ask you a sensible question: what is your specific definition of politics?

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I still want to know what your definition of politics is, because this:

I’m not talking about a political definition, more the raw human emotion of rejecting something for whatever reason they don’t like it

is baffling to me.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

I agree with Velma’s definition. The problem is, she’s claiming it means something it doesnt

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

I agree with Velma’s definition. The problem is, she’s claiming it means something it doesnt

Oh do tell us.

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

So what does it mean?

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 4 points 1 month ago

there it is!

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago

That's a remarkably succinct definition of politics.

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What do you think politics is, exactly, that it can be so easily excised from... history, or whatever it is that humans do?

I don't think there's any point in human history that doesn't have politics deeply ingrained. I don't even think history as a concept can exist without politics. Someone has to decide what to write down.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

Well, are we born with politics?

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[–] queerlilhayseed@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 month ago

Of course we are. As Billy J put it: we didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world's been turning.

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[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 5 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Well I’m not conservative. Fuck the conservatives

This is the first thing most conservatives say right before they start offering opinions on traditional gender roles, homophobia, transphobia, isolationism, nationalism, and a whole myriad of other things that tells us you need to read more broadly and stop listening to Joe Rogan.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Yes but I’m not going to do so. Because I am genuinely not conservative.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Maybe now is the time to explore why you feel so strongly about cancel culture and how people should separate art from the artist then.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Mainly because in my country we have too much examples of stuff ‘cancelled’ because of the maker’s bad behaviour, that’s why I find it a semi interesting topic.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (5 children)

the maker’s bad behaviour,

Now I'm curious what your personal line is on how bad a maker has to be before the product is tainted for you.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I’m sure you are

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Really not beating those accusations of being conservative, are ya?

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

What’s your opinion on this topic?

You literally posted this to ask what other people think.

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[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 9 points 1 month ago (19 children)

You should try asking yourself how artists create art. Where did that art come from that you so badly want to disconnect from the artist's mind that produced it? What ideas is the artist expressing that you're choosing to ignore?

What ideas did the artist also hold that are the reason the rest of human society decided that this artists art did not need to persist?

For example - These are questions that anyone involved in anything "Lovecraftian" needs to answer for themselves.

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[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 month ago

I understand that, but it’s irrelevant.

then you don't understand it.

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[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 9 points 1 month ago (16 children)

My point is: not all art is political.

Everything is political. You have just lived such a privileged life that you haven't been required to see why.

You have "just gotten" things throughout your life that others have had to fight for. And you now take it for granted that everyone has your same experience. Not everyone is so privileged because the people who operate the systems that benefit you, are taking far too much from others in order for you to have those privileges.

As soon as you start seeing the things that others are forced to do that you've never had to confront, then you will understand why everything is political. Then you will understand what a disservice you're doing to your fellow man by not doing your part to ensure everyone else gets the privileges you already take for granted.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago (15 children)

You don’t know my life, my hardships etc. don’t pretend you do.

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[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You don’t know my life, my hardships etc. don’t pretend you do.

You thinking that's what I'm doing is why I'm saying what I'm saying.

You haven't yet matured to the point where you understand not everything everyone else says and does is about you. Other people live rich, detailed lives that are completely unlike your own and you will never understand the huge varieties of ways the world works until you get outside your own tiny, self-centered universe.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

lol, you don’t know my personality, you don’t get to judge that level

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[–] Wakko@hell.cloud 8 points 1 month ago

It's cute that you think you're being judged, kiddo.

Give it a couple decades. Maybe with experience, you'll understand the old saying that youth is wasted on the young.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (11 children)

You're putting enough on display for us to know.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 1 point 1 month ago (10 children)

Can I ask you 1 final question?

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Go for it. There's no guarantee I'll answer the way you want me to though.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

That’s fine, this is more out of curiosity.

You say that everything (presumably every art, every idea) we have is political because it’s about how we communicate with others.

What about the ideas we never share? What about the ideas we have but we never tell anyone else? Would you say they were political? If so, why, if those ideas are never meant to be communicated/for communication?

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I'd probably classify ideas we never share as part of a personal conversation, personal revelations and introspection. I don't think those ideas exist without the influence of politics though.

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Yeah, but influence doesn’t mean the thing itself, right?

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (5 children)

That's why I would classify them as a part of a personal conversation, personal revelations, and introspection.

Do you routinely decide to selectively read peoples replies?

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

No, I’m just trying to understand where you’re coming from is all. I’m just trying to be a critical thinker. I do think there are some thing which can be described as not political, but I think you’ve made some good points that I definitely think differently about, and I genuinely apologise for being unpleasant at points throughout our conversation, I do value what you’ve said.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I genuinely apologise for being unpleasant at points throughout our conversation, I do value what you’ve said.

I appreciate that and thank you for posing the question to the community. It was a good conversation starter :)

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 4 points 1 month ago

Thanks. We may not fully agree (and I think, to be fair I was too hung up on the mass media definition of politics as ‘political party’ type definitions) but I would hope we both got something out of this

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[–] ReconciliationTime22128@sh.itjust.works [S] 3 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

One final question (and I promise I’m not starting anything, I’m just curious) what do you think of people who purposely make the meaning of their ‘art’ ambiguous so that the idea can’t be communicated (classic example: ‘I am the walrus by the Beatles)? Does that still fit the definition of political in terms of sharing ideas (or communication, or whatever it was)?

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

I think it's still political, affording the luxury of being silly is not necessarily common. I have to admit that I'm not a fan of the Beatles and maybe I'm not picking up on the exact reason you're using "I am the walrus" in this example.

Being able to exist independent of political oversight is political. Being able to be the master of what you create is political in that sense.

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