I needed another corded mouse and this time around I thought of @PKL@mastodon.social and @pronk@mastodon.social instead of Logitech's shareholders. These guys make open source mice among other open source hardware under the brand Ploopy. You can order one from them, assembled or as a kit, or you could print and build it entirely by yourself.

The mouse itself is pretty great. Coming from a long line of Logitech (MX518/G5/G500/G502), it's a bit larger than what I'm used to but I think I'm getting accustomed to it.

Here's another shot of it:

A picture of a computer mouse by Ploopy.

A picture of a computer mouse by Ploopy.
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[–] 42 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

I bought a Ploopy Thumb a few years ago. I assembled it myself, and was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was (when actually following the instructions).

The small button on the right has broken twice, which wasn't a problem because I just downloaded the stl file and reprinted the button assembly.

I wanted horizontal scrolling, so I used QMK to make the trackball a scroll wheel when the right side button is pressed (that may explain the faster button wear). It was surprisingly easy, and there was even a comment in the source code pointing out which line I should modify for horizontal scrolling support. I guess they expected people to want this feature.

The price is high, but I don't expect to buy another mouse unless my needs change. The open source hardware and software is excellent, making repairability 10/10. The edges of the buttons are slightly rough, but I have the 3d printing files, so I get to choose what material it's made of and what post processing / smoothing is used. It hasn't bothered me enough to do anything about it.

While I can't recommend a trackball mouse to anyone, I can recommend Ploopy. It's one of the few products that I feel like I actually own.

Ploopy Thumb next to a keyboard

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    What I really want is this, but with a trackpad instead of a trackball.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    They do have a trackpad, but not in this shape.

    I was surprised when I started using the Steamdeck. The Steamdeck's trackpad felt almost identical to my trackball mouse, and it took effectively no time to get used to it.

    The advantage of a trackball over a trackpad is that you can spin the ball for high movement speed, then stop it after a set time for fairly accurate distance. A trackball (or trackpad) will never be as accurate as a regular moue, but it is surprisingly usable (after a few months or practice).

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  • I've used several trackballs, but they have all been seriously uncomfortable for me and my specific brand of RSI. My current "mouse" is a Steam Controller, but using it one-handed isn't great due to the uneven weight distribution. I also have much better accuracy using a trackpad vs a trackball.

    Ideally, I just want a Steam Controller cut in half with a more confortable grip that doesn't dig into my palm.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    How do you use a trackball mouse? Does moving the mouse and moving the trackball both move the pointer? Or one moves the pointer and the other does something else?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The mouse stays in one location with grippy feet and the trackball moves the cursor. There is no sensor for mouse movement. It does take a while to get used to.

    The reason I chose it was that I didn't have enough desk space to move a mouse. I barely even had enough space to put the mouse. Now that I've moved house, I just like the novelty. It's not as accurate as a regular mouse.

    I would love a mouse that could do both regular movement and trackball movement so I could have 4 axis inputs. Sadly, I haven't found any like that.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's not as accurate as a regular mouse.

    This is not true of all trackballs. Some can be more accurate than a mouse with the push of a button.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That may be technically true, but what's stopping someone from using the same button on a regular mouse?

    A regular mouse can have a large amount of movement with your elbow and very fine control with your wrist. Your thumb on a trackball may have more range or precision than either, but not both combined.

    My personal experience is that a trackball mouse is a little less accurate when trying to move a large distance precisely. Perhaps I just need more practice.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you have a button in your regular mouse that enables precision mode?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't personally have a regular mouse, but most "gamer" mice have a DPI button.

    I have seen several pro gamers use the DPI button on their mouse to rapidly change their precision while playing. I suspect it would take more practice than I'm willing to put in, but they seem to use it to great effect.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I helped a user who exclusively uses a trackball and started getting used to it within seconds. My thumb was definitely not used to the trackball but I very quickly adapted and could navigate the computer normally

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    How'd you make the surface this smooth?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Overuse and poor lighting.

    I know some people have used an acetone vapor bath with ABS prints. I've never looked into what works with PLA.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    LOL, makes sense. I'm considering using epoxy. Seems like there's a product that can be brushed on. It fills the gaps. Can be painted if desired.

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