▲ 521 ▼ US government sides with OpenAI on issue of training LLMs on copyrighted material: »it is critical for the United States to ‘retain global leadership in artificial intelligence.« (techcrunch.com) submitted 2 months ago by eicker@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 157 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 months ago (7 children) Precedent that copyright is not legally enforceable permalink fedilink source hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 26 points 2 months ago (2 children) Precedent that laws don't apply to billionaires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 points 2 months ago Crime is legal now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago Got it, so then they're outlaws and I can do whatever I want to them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] njordomir@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago Yeah, I wouldn't be as upset if the playing field was level. Alright, you can slurp up and remix the world's works, but so can anyone, for any reason, for free. Personally, I think use restrictions should only target commercial use, but I'm sure that's a much more divisive topic. We have a law that is not being applied to those most likely to abuse it at scale. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Precendent was already there. Copyright has never been enforceable when it's transformative. Collage is legal, so was training neural nets before the copyright industry saw money in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) No one is saying they output of an llm is copyright (this is a different debate). What people are talking about is they stole copyright work. They pirated from torrent sights mass amounts of data. That's the violation at problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The output of the training, the model (LLM) itself, is transformative. I'm not talking about the output of the llm nor was the person I was responding to. The pirating issue has nothing to do with the current lawsuit (the New York Times one mentioned in the article) nor did the government mention it in the current context. That being said, I'm a pirate in my personal life, and I also think it's kind of a necessary evil when it comes to building SOTA models. I wish we had a copy left solution to it, so you can use pirated data but need to open source it, so open source has a fighting chance and big AI can buy it if they want it. I'm okay with openAI and anthropic getting brought into court about it I guess, but the legislation ends up being market capture in their favor in the end. I understand the issues though, very "rule for thee but not for me" currently. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net 26 points 2 months ago (2 children) Precedent that laws don't apply to billionaires. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 points 2 months ago Crime is legal now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago Got it, so then they're outlaws and I can do whatever I want to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 months ago Got it, so then they're outlaws and I can do whatever I want to them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] njordomir@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago Yeah, I wouldn't be as upset if the playing field was level. Alright, you can slurp up and remix the world's works, but so can anyone, for any reason, for free. Personally, I think use restrictions should only target commercial use, but I'm sure that's a much more divisive topic. We have a law that is not being applied to those most likely to abuse it at scale. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (2 children) Precendent was already there. Copyright has never been enforceable when it's transformative. Collage is legal, so was training neural nets before the copyright industry saw money in it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) No one is saying they output of an llm is copyright (this is a different debate). What people are talking about is they stole copyright work. They pirated from torrent sights mass amounts of data. That's the violation at problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The output of the training, the model (LLM) itself, is transformative. I'm not talking about the output of the llm nor was the person I was responding to. The pirating issue has nothing to do with the current lawsuit (the New York Times one mentioned in the article) nor did the government mention it in the current context. That being said, I'm a pirate in my personal life, and I also think it's kind of a necessary evil when it comes to building SOTA models. I wish we had a copy left solution to it, so you can use pirated data but need to open source it, so open source has a fighting chance and big AI can buy it if they want it. I'm okay with openAI and anthropic getting brought into court about it I guess, but the legislation ends up being market capture in their favor in the end. I understand the issues though, very "rule for thee but not for me" currently. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) No one is saying they output of an llm is copyright (this is a different debate). What people are talking about is they stole copyright work. They pirated from torrent sights mass amounts of data. That's the violation at problem. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The output of the training, the model (LLM) itself, is transformative. I'm not talking about the output of the llm nor was the person I was responding to. The pirating issue has nothing to do with the current lawsuit (the New York Times one mentioned in the article) nor did the government mention it in the current context. That being said, I'm a pirate in my personal life, and I also think it's kind of a necessary evil when it comes to building SOTA models. I wish we had a copy left solution to it, so you can use pirated data but need to open source it, so open source has a fighting chance and big AI can buy it if they want it. I'm okay with openAI and anthropic getting brought into court about it I guess, but the legislation ends up being market capture in their favor in the end. I understand the issues though, very "rule for thee but not for me" currently. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The output of the training, the model (LLM) itself, is transformative. I'm not talking about the output of the llm nor was the person I was responding to. The pirating issue has nothing to do with the current lawsuit (the New York Times one mentioned in the article) nor did the government mention it in the current context. That being said, I'm a pirate in my personal life, and I also think it's kind of a necessary evil when it comes to building SOTA models. I wish we had a copy left solution to it, so you can use pirated data but need to open source it, so open source has a fighting chance and big AI can buy it if they want it. I'm okay with openAI and anthropic getting brought into court about it I guess, but the legislation ends up being market capture in their favor in the end. I understand the issues though, very "rule for thee but not for me" currently. permalink fedilink source parent