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[–] 73 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (67 children)

"We." Always a red flag when someone admits to participating in lolcow shit; buncha chuds bullying autistic kids online.

Edit: hey, all you chuds who are getting mad about this comment, you're not fooling anyone either, it's just other chuds telling you that you've done enough. "Edgy" isn't the same as bullying people to suicide because they're weird, that isn't normal teen behaviour, it comes from internalized values that you will still hold unless you actually address what you believe and why; just not bullying people online anymore isn't the same thing as learning to be better.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Calling someone a lolcow is not a wrong thing per se.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Considering the circumstances in which the term was originally coined, i don't think so.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Bud, just because it sometimes happens to bad people, doesn't mean it is not wrong to reproduce cultural norms that target vulnerable groups of people. "Lolcow" was used to refer to autistic people online pretty much exclusively, and the cruel culture behind it has literally resulted in multiple suicides of completely innocent if unpalletable people. This commenter went on to say actual fascist shit to defend this, and that isn't a coincidence.

    You can tell the demos of this site based on shit like this. Yeah, I'm sure a bunch of you were edgy teen boys and you want to pretend that was okay (or even natural) because you were kids and "didnt know better," but subscribing to bigotry as an adult clearly shows that you don't understand why it was wrong, just that it was wrong.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago* (34 children)

    I think you underestimate how long the term has been around, and I've hidden nothing. I accept the shitty person I was. Have you confronted your deficiencies as a human being?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (8 children)

    Foreshadowing: they have not.

    Sounds to me you're now a better person than you were; be proud of that ^_^

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    I believe they took offense, leading them to act uncharacteristically. I firmly believe that they are a good person. Weighing someone unaccustomed to being in the middle of an argument, while they feel unsafe, certainly isn't fair to them.

    And make no mistake, 9999 times out of 10000, they'd be right to take some amount of offense. Their chosen verbiage just triggered a landmine.

    But thank you, it's kind of you to affirm that I'm not 200% dead puppies all the time!

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    I know how long the term has been around bud, we haven't even had this internet shit fifty years for fuck's sake. If you accept the shitty person you "were," why did you just produce a cruel estimation of some other person online just because you found their behaviour cringe again? This is the kind of "acceptance" people adopt when they feel guilt but don't want to change. It's also so telling to write off actual malice and cruelty in such a fundamental way as "well we all do had things." No, I've never had the inclination to treat a vulnerable person badly, go figure.

    And lol, lmao, yes. Which is how I can see straight through this kind of bullshit.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago* (23 children)

    I want to congratulate you for having a normal upbringing, then. I'm not going to offer anything identifying, because I'm not an idiot, but I grew up surrounded by corpses and continued to develop elsewhere in a state of nihilism and rage bred by a family, myself included, in the throes of constantly triggered ptsd. You do not understand enough to judge an internet stranger by their arbitrary admissions. Your scope of understanding is limited by the offense you've taken and your frame of reference.

    And It's not just "cringe." It's an extreme social trespass and transgression to, and follow me on this, tell someone to break up with their partner because of an llm's estimation of your desires. Whether satire or not, this person fits within the fringe groups. I'd otherwise call them an incel, but they seem particularly unhinged. Which pejorative do you prefer for a person who parasocially adheres to someone and decides upon their future? This is like defending pedophiles under the umbrella of lgbtq.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I'm glad you're a better person now.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Why aren't you upset that the VA put this person on blast by posting the screenshot instead of offering their personal support?

    Is it because this kind of behavior is incredibly fuckin creepy and shouldn't be coddled in any way?

    And why doesn't it come into play that this delusional weirdo is causing very real emotional distress to the VA?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    The one where you jumped to conclusions after someone correctly pointed out that this behavior would result in bullying in the 2000s?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's kind of crazy how confident you are with your degree in Armchair Psychoanalysis.

    I take it you're part of the shipper community?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (10 children)

    My first paragraph in reply was in reference to you patting yourself on the back for never having a cruel thought. I admit, I should have clarified rather than jumping into vitriol.

    Do you genuinely not understand why someone would search for exceedingly harmful words for a person trying something this creepy? I feel like I need to understand that before I can begin to understand anything else you've said.

    And I recognize my long road. My first comment was actively chiding me. This is like going to AA and going "I think these people are addicts."

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    I feel I need to begin by telling you that you do not understand what an incel is, if this behavior doesn't tick any boxes. Tertiary and quaternary sources offered you an incomplete picture, to the point that I don't know where to offer information. You will have to ask questions to fill in your blanks.

    Lolcow is a slur?? I didn't perceive it that way, which is where the misunderstanding began. I can absolutely see how you'd take what I wrote differently based upon that distinction, and I'll avoid using the term in that way in the future. I appreciate you clarifying that for me. To me, it was the same as shorthand describing them as maladaptive and easily baited, as that was the contemporaneous definition. I'm not going to excuse it, that was my mistake.

    I don't believe it would be productive to speak on anything in your last two paragraphs, as there are clearly misunderstandings, whether you recognize them or not.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I apologize if this comes off as rude, but you've clearly checked out of this conversation. I want to thank you once again for clarifying, what I did was objectively deeply shitty, but I understand completely that there is nothing of value to be gained for either one of us in continuing this conversation. If I transgress upon someone in the future, I'd appreciate you doing what you've done here today.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Some of what they said comes from candid misunderstandings and absence of information, but I did look it up. Lolcow is, indeed, utilized as a slur in current day. I definitely do not want to utilize a word that hits more strays than targets, which is where my appreciation lies.

    And I certainly wouldn't call them a faux leftist. Just someone who was deeply hurt by something and lashing out without regard for any attainable constructive end goal. That was decades of my life, so I see them and I can meet them where I need to be met. Regardless of their intent, I gleaned immensely useful information from them, and I highly value it. Their continued action meets my needs as a person far better than asking them to simmer down, and my comment above is my best attempt at having my needs met.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    There's a stark difference between accountability and what you're doing, which is insisting that no one ever gets to improve their behaviour or learn from their mistakes. That doesn't make a better world, it makes the worst possible one.

    If people can only ever be as good as the worst thing they've done, then why should anyone ever aspire to be anything better than the worst possible version of themselves?

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I think you should go tell a therapist that your reading of "you have to work at being vulnerable to change, and superficial improvement isn't enough" was "nobody can change."

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (16 children)

    The human brain doesn't fully develop until the mid twenties, and empathy is one of the last things that fully develops. So the nihilistic online edge lord culture is one you can genuinely age out of.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    … empathy is one of the last things that fully develops.

    That’s not true at all. If you didn’t develop empathy in preschool and have fully developed sense of empathy by middle to high school, you had some serious developmental issues or were raised in a bad environment.

    That doesn’t mean middle and high school kids can’t be mean. That cruelty can’t be excused by undeveloped empathy. In fact, they most certainly know how the person feels and are intentionally making them feel bad.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I said it doesn't develop fully until adulthood. Not that it isn't there at all until then.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    And I’m saying it fully develops before adulthood. Usually, somewhere around 12 years old.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Both of those things are wrong. You should look up what the actual study on brain maturity concluded instead of regurgitating factoids online.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    The factoids might be wrong but the conclusion isn't. Most edgelords age out it

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I honestly haven't seen evidence of that, most of them certainly learn that the behaviour is looked down upon and may feel guilt over it, that isn't the same thing as growing out of it. There's a very large number of people whose morality is oriented around whether or not they're caught, not honest, vulnerable interrogation of themselves and committing to change.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    You're talking to at least two former edgelords and the one typing now did a complete 180 at 18.

    I was a weird kid in the 90s in a predominantly white/Catholic town where bigotry was the norm. I wasn't into the god stuff which made me an outcast in my community and home life wasn't very welcoming, either. I had unfiltered internet access and found a community who accepted me. And having no one to tell my otherwise, I thought their behavior was fine.

    Ironically, that same lack of parental oversight saved my life because I decided to go to art school.

    First time meeting a black person. Wow, they're just like me. First time hanging out with gay people. Wow, they're not trying to fuck me? Freshman year, I learned that everything I knew was wrong. And now I wouldn't be surprised if I'm on an antifa watch list.

    So what do you call it when someone learns their opinions are wrong and changes? What is developing emotional maturity through experience if not "growing out of it?"

    What a depressing state of mind you must live in to think that people are only capable of changing for the worse.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Its obvious when you guys are making excuses for yourselves and passing it off as some act of empathy or understanding. That's also just false, btw, and I never wanted to hurt vulnerable people even when I was young.

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