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[+] -28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (25 children)
  • [–] [S] 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The rise in life expectancy has fuck all to do with capitalism given that life expectancy in both Cuba and China is higher than the US right now. Meanwhile, slavery continues to be the backbone of western economies.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not sure what point you're even trying to make here. Life expectancy has been improving due to science and technology improving.

    You could starve to death because your crop had been taken by the lords or die hanged to a tree because you complained

    That's literally how things work today where western corps exploit the workers in the global south. That's what your lifestyle in the west is built on. Go read up on the coups, death squads, and other atrocities the west regularly commits around the world to keep the system of exploitation going. Here's a good primer for you https://archive.org/details/KillingHope

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Last I checked, the genocide of the native population of America was fuelled by the British capitalism. Notably, capitalism was also the primary driver of African slave trade.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Take the exit for chauvinists, don't let the trapdoor hit you on the way down

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Mate, you're the one running away because you can't deal with people having different beliefs to you

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    OP doesn't say that an older system was better - especially not some super-specific one. Just that it's NOT the only possible system and likely not the best there can be.

    So I'm not sure who exactly you're arguing with.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Correlation != Causation

    As others have pointed out we have better lives today because of scientific and technological progress not because of capitalism.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    first-class example of whataboutism, favourite of useful idiots worlwide!

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    i'm pretty sure the idea with anticapitalist sentiment isn't to go backwards anymore, you know?

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Nope, that's exactly what I implied when I point out that capitalism is the wrong direction of human development.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The right direction would obviously be socialism with public ownership of the means of production and an economy being directed towards meeting the needs of working majority as opposed to a handful of elites. Should be pretty obvious, yet here you are.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's correct communism is the end goal. Also, not sure what you could possibly mean that communism didn't work well. Everywhere it's been tried, it has lifted millions out of poverty and provided them with housing, education, food, and healthcare. Countries run by communist parties today are demonstrably doing a far better job providing for the working majority than their capitalist counterparts. The research on the subject is extensive and the results are beyond question.

    Professor of Economic History, Robert C. Allen, concludes in his study without the 1917 revolution is directly responsible for rapid growth that made the achievements listed above possible: https://web.archive.org/web/20200119044114/https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.507.8966&rep=rep1&type=pdf

    Study demonstrating the steady increase in quality of life during the Soviet period (including under Stalin). Includes the fact that Soviet life expectancy grew faster than any other nation recorded at the time: https://www.jstor.org/stable/2672986?seq=1

    A large study using world bank data analyzing the quality of life in Capitalist vs Socialist countries and finds overwhelmingly at similar levels of development with socialism bringing better quality of life: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646771/pdf/amjph00269-0055.pdf

    This study compared capitalist and socialist countries in measures of the physical quality of life (PQL), taking into account the level of economic development. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/

    This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe. https://academic.oup.com/cje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cje/beac072/7081084?guestAccessKey=01c8dd9f-af1c-48b3-b271-eb5d3a45017c&login=false

    Romania, the inustrialization of an agrarian economy under socialist planning https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/888851468333915517/pdf/multi0page.pdf

    An exploration of China's mortality decline under Mao: A provincial analysis, 1950-80 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You're just regurgitating nonsense here.

    The term authoritarianism is utterly meaningless because all governments rely on coercion to maintain their authority. The state is fundamentally an instrument that’s used by the ruling class to maintain its dominance. The whole notion that political systems can be neatly categorized into authoritarian or democratic binaries is deeply infantile.

    The reality is that every government derives its authority from its monopoly on legal violence. The ability to enforce laws, suppress dissent, and maintain order is derived from control over police, military, and judicial systems. Whether a government is labelled authoritarian or democratic, the fundamental basis of its power lies here. Therefore, the only meaningful questions to ask are which class interests it represents, and to what extent can it be held accountable to them.

    What ultimately matters is which class controls the institutions of state violence. In capitalist democracies, the government represent the interests of the economic elites who fund political campaigns, own media outlets, and control key industries. Western public lacks the mechanisms necessary to hold the government to account, and the ruling class is disconnected from the broader population. That’s precisely what’s driving political discontent all across western sphere today. Meanwhile, in so-called authoritarian regimes, the ruling party serves the working class as seen in countries like China, Cuba, or Vietnam. Hence why there is widespread public trust in these government and they enjoy broad support from the masses.

    There's also zero evidence for the notion that there's less repression under capitalism than there is under socialism. The incarceration rate in the US is higher than in China, and it's even higher than it was in USSR under Stalin.

    The claim that the rate of innovation is slower doesn't stand up to scrutiny either. USSR had plenty of technological and scientific firsts. China currently pushing ahead of the west technologically on many fronts.

    Finally, the discussion isn't whether China has pure communism or not. It's whether the system in China produces better results than western ones. That is the case practically by any metric you choose. On the other hand, we can see the regression in quality of life for vast swaths of the population in Russia after capitalism being reinstated. Here we have a direct comparison showing that capitalism does in fact perform worse than socialism.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I can see you already got told multiple times in these comments. But then again, I think, most can also see you don't actually know anything you are talking about, OR don't care to know because you are a right-wing fucknut. So, uh.

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