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Debian developer Antoine Le Gonidec resigns after option allowing corporate LLM use without disclosure wins vote (lists.debian.org)
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[โ€“] -1 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Exactly. It's all nonsense. But we need to single out this nonsense in particular and hate it. Because it has different potential outcomes....

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    It's not allnnonsense. LLMs are being used to "solve" small problems but pollute way more than normal datacenters, way more than you using your personal computer etc. You seem heavilly invested in denying any bad thing from LLMs ...

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Because you conflate data centers with LLM.

    Data centers are bad. LLM are not.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 months ago (10 children)

    Worst take award

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    So you must think the opposite.

    LLM bad, data centers good?

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

    Black and white thinking. Just like fascists (including tankies).

    LLM bad, data center not inherently good. Humans could get rid of data centers if they get their shit together and distribute instead of just decentralize, similar to how they can establish anarchism the same way. BUT if the ideal were to be assumed impossible (because of course you would), data centers are good at a certain quantity. Peeing is fine, everyone does that. If you pee 8 times an hour, go see a doctor.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Dont feed the troll. Read their post history and you'll see they are either trolling or very delusional.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Uh huh... You just admitted you are the one with black & white thinking by saying LLM are bad. I assure you that the LLM that I use are not bad. They also don't require a data center. They run locally on my laptop, with no more expenditure of energy than playing a video game. Unless video games are bad, too?

    We have a difference of opinion because if anything is bad between the two concepts then it's data centers, not LLMs.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    They also don't require a data center?

    Did you train them without any data centers though?

    Unless video games are bad, too?

    Not really, but whenever choosing a game to play, I am biased towards some of the lesser resource intensive titles like TeeWorlds, Need for Speed: Underground and The Ultimate Shovelware Title: Homebrew Edition rather than, for example, Counter-Strike 2, Forza Horizon or The Ultimate Shovelware Title: Unity Edition.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Did you train them without and data centers though?

    Was your computer made without a factory? No? Then I guess your computer destroys the environment. Better stop using it immediately.

    See how silly that sounds?

    whenever choosing a game to play, I am biased towards some of the lesser resource intensive titles

    I'm glad you have a system for choosing what games to play. I'm sure that will serve you well in finding the optimal way to be entertained in your leisure time.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Better stop using it immediately

    Too late. It's pretty much required nowadays in most regions (not something I agree with, people who don't want computers should be able to choose to entertain themselves in other ways). Computing is now the only established way to have pointless arguments with people around the globe. Also the only established way to attend school in lots of places. It's really difficult to have homemade computing without first "lightly disestablishing" the silicon companies holding trade secrets.

    It isn't too late to resist LLMs.

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  • [โ€“] -1 points 2 months ago

    Then we've reached the salient point of contention: I think it was too late to resist LLMs as soon as the LLMs were made publicly available. There's no putting the genie back into the bottle. No way to close Pandora's box. It's as wishful of thinking as saying it's not too late to resist cryptocurrency. Even if you got 99% of people to boycott it, so long as the 1% still exists it's not going away.

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