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[+] -8 points 2 months ago (30 children)

See this type of thing cost the left the election in 2024. It's time to have better arguments to sway people's minds, they still will vote afterall

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago

    I tried for years man, but there's so much bad faith, and I'm just one guy who just wants some peace now. I've been so fuckin angry my whole life, I just can't anymore, the futility is draining

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    I really don’t come to social media to change the world or people’s minds. I don’t know where this mentality of “you must change people’s minds” comes from. When was the last time some rando changed yours?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    For me it's more about sharing the many information, including the best insults to spread around about the ruling class, and networking, than changing peoples' minds.

    If someone is being rude and I don't think they are in good faith, or a serious person, I just ignore them. I don't block or hit the ignore button, I just stop replying, usually don't even read them.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    I get enlightened on Lemmy almost everyday as long as people have discussion with me. But that's the thing people resort to band whenever you question their opinion. If you look at United States, Trump built a coalition of former Democrats to be on his cabinet. That's one example of people changing their minds, why can't we on the left do that? How the hell did he get RFK Jr on his cabinet?😂😂

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I’ll grant you that the links to content are informative but usually the comments are full of people missing the point, taking your comment out of context, etc. like this person that’s trying to act like I’m racist because I said it’s difficult to find vegan food in Mexico.

    I’d say 90% of comments are just a waste of time. I would never come here expecting positive engagement with others.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    This is sad to hear, I remember the Golden age of Reddit was so open and you could have a discussion with everybody. I was hoping that Lemmy was stuck in that era, but it seems that down vaults aren't enough for this website. They must resort to banning people with different opinions

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Reddit hid downvoted comments, so if you said something truly contrary, you'd end up just getting buried.

    You can indeed have discussions here, but as soon as they start going off the rails, the chances of getting blocked are pretty high.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    We should be welcoming defectors from the right but the oligarchy has everything so influence operatized that we are led to loudly reject them so we remain unable to win.

    ie MTG. That said, everyone that's been against the bad guys from the start should get at least one I told you so on a turncoat. But they should be welcomed and encouraged to defect even if you don't trust their motives as being anything beyond self interest.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    I can accept that MTG is no longer a trumper, I can't accept most of her anything else. She is racist and destructive and trying to set up her next bid for election. I'm guessing the next VP?

    “This hateful, racists [sic], and demeaning rhetoric should not be tolerated. Ever. But they allow it and keep her in the inner circle,” Greene wrote Sunday in a social media post on X.

    Note: I included her anti-racism because it seems like she's not used to it.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Idk what she has been up to lately, but here changes in stances, repudiating Israel, calling gaza a genocide, supporting universal healthcare, what else, opposing the Iran war, and what else, opposing geo engineering, (yes her base is opposed to it primarily because chemtrails but they are also against spraying sulphur dioxide in the upper atmosphere to blot out the sun.

    What else, there were others too. She's further left than almost the entire democratic party at this point.

    I don't think there is a single white democrat further left of her just given those positions. Bernie doesn't count at this point. Name one, Ron Wyden? Supports sending weapons, incluing assault rifles to Israeli settlers in the west bank, just last summer.

    Idk, seems to me like Israel and their super fans are manipulating us, again.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    RFK Jr. had like three percent in polls as an independent candidate, so he went to Democrats with an offer to withdraw and endorse them in exchange for a healthcare position. Sure enough, nobody there even listened to that constantly choking nut. So he went with the same offer to Trump, who decided “yeah, sure, who cares”. The gag, of course, is that there's no guarantee that the three percent voted for Trump — they might've split evenly or all chosen Democrats.

    However, I'm not sure what about that roadkill-eating conspiracy-theorist brainworm is Democrat.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago*

    What Republicans did that camel even try to bring in? Oh yes the hated Cheney's. That was so brilliant, bring the warmonger and evil cheney family to the Democrat ticket. Such brilliant very smart move 🤣🤣

    Do you see how stupid Kamala is? She is thinking of running again? The Democrats will probably make sure she does because they are controlled opposition

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Before you get too invested, check this bloke's comment history. They're a troll, and a poor one at that.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago*

    The thing that cost the the election was that overwhelmingly popular left policy was entirely unrepresented; the left screamed "Genocide, funding ICE, and doing fuckall to help people will decrease votes", liberals said "What the fuck are you gonna do, not vote? We need to appeal to Moderate Republicans(tm) by talking about stopping migrant caravans, including republicans in your cabinet, banning trans people from sports, and The Most Lethal Military Ever!!".

    And once again, basically no republicans voted democrat, while massively unpopular republican policies decreased turnout.

    It would be trivial to sway people with "Do you want free healthcare? Do you want to NOT resume a genocide? Do you want to keep federally legal pot? Do you want Trump to stay in prison?"

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    "the" election - as if there was only a single one? Lemmy.World where your account is housed is not located in the USA (while I do not know about programming.dev).

    Your argument would carry much more weight if you displayed the slightest sensitivity towards acknowledging that places outside of the USA so much as exist, and occasionally have elections.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    Ah yes I forgot about the global election that's happening in 2024

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    My friend, USA is the only place that truly matters. We are the greatest empire that have ever and will ever exist on this planet. Only with the grace of the USA, does any other country continue to exist. We have won so many world wars. We have proven to be the best and every other country just follows in our wake. So when elections happen in the USA, that's the elections everybody talks about throughout the whole world. When our trillionaires make decisions, the rest of the world listens. That's true power, that's something no other country will ever be able to experience.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yet you left Reddit to come here.

    Do you think Lemmy was made in America?

    Please don't answer, it was just offered to spark your thinking.

    Even though there is a point behind what you said there, behind THAT is an even bigger point: that pride comes before a fall.

    Don't worry, you will come to understand... eventually, one way or another.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well reddit is too corporate now, I like this place. Without the USA lemmy wouldn't excist. Without the USA this whole computer thing wouldn't excist. You should be thankful that all this exists and was given to you for free. #thankanAmerican should be a thing really

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I never said that people shouldn't be grateful for good things. I only said that the USA is not the literal exclusive nation in the entire world that had elections in 2024.

    And you said that you like this place, so I am offering a correction here if you choose to accept it: we can leave Reddit behind, all of it.

    I don't like what Reddit turned me into. Argumentative, combative even, ready to unleash upon anyone who dared respond with the slightest criticism. Did you know that Reddit designed their systems to promote such rage-baiting? You, like literally all of us here, feel into their trap. But you can breathe the free air now.

    If you want.

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