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Linus Torvalds used AI to fix a Linux bug, and now LLM critics on Linux face an uncomfortable choice (www.xda-developers.com)
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[+] -19 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Chess engines have been using AI, specifically, neural networks, for years before ChatGPT or other LLMs. Nobody complained.

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  • [–] 64 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Chess engines didn't require data centers that guzzle water and spit out pollution like an 18th century factory.

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  • [+] -18 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Here we go again!

    You conflate one type of AI with all the other ones. Call it LLM or generative AI.

    I programmed AI 20 years ago, it still is AI but doesn't use datacenters. I programmed deep neural networks ten years ago, it did not use datacenters either.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    And that’s why no one is opposed to those.

    You didn’t pirate the collective works of humanity to train on, while under a society that requires intellectual property rights to ensure those creators are compensated, in order to undercut them twice (once to train and once to replace them)

    You didn’t pollute the sky, dry the soil, bulldoze people’s homes to make your chessbot.

    You didn’t corner the market on components to brute force the solution to declare yourself computer god, where everyone must come to you for compute.

    Gen AI seeks to replace humans and it’s not even sentient. I don’t give a single fuck how useful a fancy algorithm is, it’s not ok with me if it’s designed to destroy my life.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Well do the work and call it for what it is, not just "AI".

    Generative AI.

    LLM

    Is it truly that hard?

    I mean you seem to want to, and thus we can have a discussion about it, which I favour instead of having people just being generally angry it seems.

    The day when it doesn't crush the environment, should we use gen AI to help us in our daily lives? Or should we not? Is there something good in it? Or isn't it? I'd love seing constructive discussions but they just get globbed by people thinking with their gut it seems. Like if you don't hate "AI" then you're pro genocide.

    Sorry for the rant!

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What are you talking about?

    Chess using neural nets didn't happen until around 2017 with Alpha Zero, based on Google DeepMind.

    Ie.. Two years after OpenAI was founded. ChatGPT is part of the exact same tech rush.

    Nobody complained because chess is harmless, ChatGPT is not 🤷

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Please understand that ChatGPT was released in November 2022.

    And also understand that the distinction between chess and ChatGPT is the point of the comment. These two things both use AI but one is harmless and useful while the other is not.

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