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"You dont Understand, you have to support the lesser evil" (hexbear.net)
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cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/9388376

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Dem president "I will operate the foreign child crusher while being formal and respectful" libs: "Thank god we voted for you!" Republican President: "I will also operate the foreign child crusher while being rude and racist" libs: "Wtf? You are evil"
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[–] 33 points 2 months ago (63 children)

Choose one:

  • a polite foreign child crusher
  • a rude foreign child crusher

Libs:

How dare you point out that polite people are crushing children? You must think I shouldn't vote for anyone! It's very important to never improve things, foreign children be damned!

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    The parties have been reduced down to their stance on this one issue because they can't even differ there. They both suck on all issues, but a lot of people would still vote for democrats if they could just not commit overt genocide.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Ah yes Democrats famous for giving a shit when roe v Wade was overturned. Democrats whose candidate had one thing about trans people handling persecution: "They should follow the law"
    Democrats whose main takeaway from losing once again was that they were too woke on the gender stuff. They do fuck all about republicans which is the same as supporting it, which a large amount of them do as well. But im sure voting for them despite them working against you and yours will surely result in something good and not at all push them towards even more depraved goals. Like genocide. Which they are committing. I wonder what the next red line will be?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    You people keep acting as if you're being told to roll over and accept defeat. Nobody is saying that. What people are saying is "voting for the lesser evil doesn't work. Its such a dogshit strategy that there isn't any difference between those two parties anymore." And somehow you take that to mean there's nothing to be done. If you are really so hellbent on voting being the only thing you can do, then at least vote for a third party. But really you ought to be doing more than that.

    The absolute very best case scenario for a democrat is that they do fuck all. Most of them are far worse than that. They are typically doing the exact same shit as republicans, but no one gives a shit because they're not overt. I am not an accelerationist, so I dont believe its a good idea to concentrate power in the hands of capitalists, so I won't vote for the more competent managers of empire.

    In the case of a best-case democrat, you're also making things worse by voting for them, because your vote legitimises their inaction. Every election were democrats have won has been an election that normalised the monstrous. It didnt use to be like this, that you could just shell out cash for cops and child killers. You didnt use to just be able to hand out massive fracking contracts or senselessly pursue brinksmanship without anyone calling you out for the rabid warhawk that you were. Now it doesn't matter. John Kerry ran on being the better guy for the war in Iraq. Obama won his second term on the back of all his warmongering. It wasn't always like this. Decades of the lesser evil has lead us down this path, decades of "well we have to vote for them just this once, its the most important election dont you know" has put us where we are now. It clearly observably does not work.
    The very best of the democrats is just a republican a few election cycles behind. And most of them are far below par.
    Voting for them gives them legitimacy, its not a harmless action.

    And of those that are the very best, they quickly get engulfed and integrated by the machine, turned into the next generation of managers of empire.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I agree with you. I'm in the US and the democrat party was trash and it's only getting worse. (I'm not a Democrat) So, honestly at this point, thinking about voting third party and trying to do more grassroots stuff. My country needs better and I hate what the US is doing to other countries for wealth and power. It's honestly disgusting.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago

    Yes, it is clear that you aren't following the logic. Maybe some context will help: The democrats support republican policies when they are in power.

    Also, who said that you should "just let the republicans have more power"? I didn't see anyone even suggest that.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (42 children)

    The meme didn't say they were the same, they said they both crush children. People gotta come with a list before it's okay? Not great for memes.

    (It's not just Palestinian children either btw)

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    You think Palestine is the only Bi-partisan machine? You really need to open a history book. Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Syria and all the rest are all bi-partisan.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Off the top of my head I can't think of a single non bi-partisan one.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Iran is bi-partisan as is Gaza same as Afghanistan, Syria, and Iraq

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Yes they're against Trumps manor of going about it and are all about virtue signaling when they have no power. Just like how Obama "was going to close Guantanamo". In reality it was their nominee for president who called Iran the biggest threat to America and continued to position for intervention.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    I understand why people do it but what I don't understand is why they are content to continue supporting any child crushing and discourage people from discussing it.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe if your only options are evil, after decades and centuries, it's time to stop being evil and start over.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    When else can people put pressure on the lesser evil to "tone down" the evil? Or take the opportunity to ensure folks know about the evil? Isn't it when things look their worst they say "well actually we need to be slightly more evil to get those swing voters"?

    Maybe I don't understand the US system but I believe platforms are individual to candidates and that there are no overall party platforms that the candidates are expected to adhere to. How is there no shift to less evil under these conditions? So many individual elections for individual people and a whole lot of wack people getting elected.

    and they'd rather fight the lesser evil than the greater one.

    I think this is my point: when do they fight the lesser evil?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    Maybe I don’t understand the US system but I believe platforms are individual to candidates and that there are no overall party platforms that the candidates are expected to adhere to.

    While the platforms are technically individual, they aren't really. They have to get approval from their bosses (donors) on what they get to run on. And the few actual good things that they run on has to be just empty rhetoric. If they get elected, they are expected to immediately forget those things.

    when do they fight the lesser evil?

    Thats the neat part, they don't. The cycle goes like this:

    • It's election season. You can't point out that the child-killers want to kill children, or the evil people will win.
    • Election season is over. The child-killers are in power, but their hands are tied because of the evil people who aren't in power. Its unrealistic to expect the child-killers to just stop helping the evil people kill children.
    • It's election season. You can't point out that the child-killers have been killing children, or the evil people will win.
    • Election season is over. The child-killers aren't in power. What do you expect them to do? They have to keep helping the evil people kill children.

    Rinse, repeat

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Holy shit I thought this was a serious reply for the first few lines and I was AGHAST

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    ?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I decided against continuing the convo you are replying to because it felt like the other person and I had both explained our points of view and anything further might feel like trying to convince them to adopt mine but I had wanted to bring up primaries.

    Doesn't this same thing play out in the primaries? Otherwise how could the lesser evil stay evil?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I guess what I don't understand is how the candidates in the general election can be so unpalatable if the primaries are the place where people can ask for what they really want.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Because the Democrats spend more time fighting leftists, then they do fighting the Republicans. Check out the recent DSA elections: Democrats spent a bunch of time and energy fighting against them.

    Additionally, the Democrats fight tooth and nail to keep third parties off of the ballots. They also spend a bunch of effort saying that things like "not bombing kids" or "medicare for all" are unreasonable, or unrealistic, to keep people from thinking that 3rd parties are viable.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I can see why my wording was confusing when taken out of context. If you go up a few levels you can see that we are saying the same thing. Or at least I think?

    I asked when do people get to push back against the lesser evil, and someone said the primaries. What you were responding to here was me saying I don't see how that's possibly true if the primaries keep spitting out people who have no interest in being even slightly less evil.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    They are also drawn with speech bubbles demonstrating their differences.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    How detailed does a meme have to be?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    The entire point of the meme is that both options do the same exact thing while acting differently to the public eye. If the meme intended to show a difference in policy or behavior it would have. That is the core of the argument being made, not an irrelevant detail.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago (8 children)
    • Both bomb kids
    • Both support genocide
    • Both support imperialism and colonialism
    • Both screw over the working class to help out their rich friends
    • Both openly lie about how they are going to fix things
    • Both leverage military and intelligence agencies against their own citizens

    The problem I have is when someone reduces the parties down to their stances on one single issue.

    The "foreign child crusher" in this comic is doing a lot of heavy lifting, for a lot other problems.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Joe Biden broke up the rail strike and the democrats have a long history of weakening unions, this is the dumbest most ahistoric shit I've read yet.

    Im not gonna bother with the rest of your gish-gallop bullshit except to point out that Roe v. Wade was overturned under a democrat president and it was NEVER codified even when they had run on doing exactly that.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Biden is pro union because he said so. /s Stop judging him by his actions. /s He lost reelection because of failing health. /s His appointee, Mrs. Harris, lost the election due to her laugh and not continuing his unpopular policies. /s

    Consider USAID as an example of a machine that keeps doing work regardless of the current office holders. Machines to crush children are part of the system. I acknowledge there were some good outcomes from US soft power. However, the child crushing machine continues to crush children even when the people actuating the lever change.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Democrats are, for the most part, pro union. They are the only ones supporting Medicare for all. They actually support science and education. They support social safety nets like social security and SNAP. They support gun regulations. They support foreign aid. They support safe access to abortions. They support LGBTQ rights.

    No they dont. They campaign on supporting these things, but when they have power, they don't do anything about them at best.

    When they had a majority under Biden and Obama, when did they set up Medicare for all? When did they codify abortion rights?

    And lets look at their foreign aid:

    • Support for genocide
    • Support for dictators
    • Support for warlords

    Life is demonstrably worse under republican policies for the working class.

    And life got demonstrably worse under democratic policies for the working class and for people living in other countries.

    Pretending like things will get better if we just let republicans win is not helping. They are literally turning the US into a fascist police state.

    When did I say that we should let republicans win? I'm pretty sure I never did. The democrats are helping the republicans turn the US into a fascist police state. Remember when Obama increased mass surveillance? Remember when Biden increased funding to the military, ICE, DHS, cops, and helped build out the border wall? Remember when they both mass-deported and tortured people?

    When one party is fine with me, if a little wary because I’m way further left than they are, and the other part literally wants to kill me and people like me, I see it as a pretty big difference.

    Well, that may be the difference between us. I'm pretty far to the left of the Democrats, because I think things like rape, torture, and murder are bad. I see both parties actively supporting those things happening to people like me, and people unlike me. But I guess that doesn't matter to you as long as they aren't going after you.

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