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"Violence is never the answer" unless it is white people doing it (lemmy.ml)
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/27603744

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[–] 3 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

When was Egypt both a part of NATO (the most prolific invader in the world), and also attempting to attack Pissrael on its behalf?

I am going to ask again - what should a state do in such a situation?

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Egypt was never attempting to attack Israel, but I am just saying they created a fake excuse, having a base doesn't mean there will be an eminent attack. I believe in economical and diplomatic preasure until there is a real eminent threat

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Egypt was never attempting to attack Israel

    And it was never trying to help NATO amass their troops to attack Pissrael.
    So, in short, you brought up a completely irrelevant event and keep refusing to answer the original question.

    having a base doesn’t mean there will be an eminent attack.

    Ah yes, the most prolific invader in the world, while being known for attacking after amassing troops for such attacks, is apparently not likely to do so in this particular case is what you are saying.

    I believe in economical and diplomatic preasure until there is a real eminent threat

    What "economical" and "diplomatic" pressure was Russia able to put on NATO without crippling itself?

    Again, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world (which Egypt is not) starts amassing weapons and troops on that state's border?

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    the most prolific invader in the world is the terrorist state of Israel which also have good relation with Russia. It is relevant to say that both used the same excuse to invade . We all know that both consider the people they occupy fake and claim that the perspective identity of Palestinians and Ukrainians do not existing

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    the most prolific invader in the world is the terrorist state of Israel

    Pissrael is de facto a part of NATO, and is controlled from Washington. So, in addition to Pissrael's Lebensraum, NATO is responsible for things like the invasions of Iran, Venezuela, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, and many, many other places (at least some of them - multiple times since 1950).

    which also have good relation with Russia.

    And yet, Russia does have friendly relations with the Palestinian resistance, and NATO does not.

    It is relevant to say that both used the same excuse to invade .

    It's not.
    You were asked a question about what a state should do when militarily threatened by the most prolific invader in the world, and, for some reason, brought up Egypt of all polities.

    We all know that both consider the people they occupy fake and claim that the perspective identity of Palestinians and Ukrainians do not existing

    Except, there has been 0 evidence of contemporary Russia conducting a genocide (either in this case, or before), unlike what NATO has been doing.

    Again, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world (which Egypt is not) starts amassing weapons and troops on that state’s border?

    Also, it is quite silly how you excuse Ukraine's invasions of Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Israel and Russia collaborated and had good relation by your logic Russia is also part of Nato

    And yet, Russia does have friendly relations with the Palestinian resistance, and NATO does not.

    Russia with trading with israel is generating money for israel to exterminate Palestinians . Russia backstabbed too much people , when it's veto is important they do not use it. They did not vote against trump "surrender" plan , they did not vote against the nato intervention in Libya

    In 2006, Israeli troops found evidence of Russian made Kornet-E and Metis-M anti-tank systems in Hezbollah's possession in southern Lebanon. In 2007, in response to accusations that it was supplying terrorist groups with weapons, Russia said it was conducting inspections of Syrian weapons storage facilities to prevent the weapons from reaching unintended customers.

    Except, there has been 0 evidence of contemporary Russia conducting a genocide (either in this case, or before), unlike what NATO has been doing.

    because Russia consider Ukrainians Russians they do not plan to exterminate Ukrainians but to erase Ukraine cultural specificities

    Also, it is quite silly how you excuse Ukraine’s invasions of Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

    I do not excuse Ukraine invasion of Iraq . I do not shy away to condemn ukraine for supporting israel and the war on Iran.

    You know that Israel, Russian and the usa are bullshitting when they keep switching the excuse. Decide yourself you invaded Ukraine because of nato, because it host nazis or because you believe ukraine is a fake state and should be russian

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Israel and Russia collaborated and had good relation by your logic Russia is also part of Nato

    What invasions did Russia and NATO collaborate on?

    Russia with trading with israel

    Hahaha.
    Okay, by your logic, Russia trading with NATO makes it an ally of NATO (including Ukraine).
    Also, now you have zero excuse to ignore Russia helping the Palestinian resistance, at least by tying up NATO's resources in Ukraine, and by previously helping Syria against your invasion.

    is generating money for israel

    You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how money works if you think that financially sovereign states can run out of money.

    The actual support in the form of military equipment and military backing has always been provided by (the rest of) NATO (including by Ukraine), and Pissrael is quite literally controlled by the leadership of NATO. Whatever the latter says, Pissrael does.

    Russia backstabbed too much people , when it’s veto is important they do not use it. They did not vote against trump “surrender” plan , they did not vote against the nato intervention in Libya

    Yeah, those are bad, because Russia did not oppose NATO in those cases.

    In 2006, Israeli troops found evidence of Russian made Kornet-E and Metis-M anti-tank systems in Hezbollah’s possession in southern Lebanon. In 2007, in response to accusations that it was supplying terrorist groups with weapons, Russia said it was conducting inspections of Syrian weapons storage facilities to prevent the weapons from reaching unintended customers.

    Just proves my point that Russia was helping the resistance against Pissrael. Also, going to note that, since your conquest of Syria via the ISIL proxy, that support became harder to maintain.

    because Russia consider Ukrainians Russians they do not plan to exterminate Ukrainians but to erase Ukraine cultural specificities

    Let's assume that's true. That means that what you said previously about this being relevant was a lie.
    Also, I would like to mention that people like you do like to invoke the word "whataboutism" in cases that are actually relevant.

    I do not excuse Ukraine invasion of Iraq . I do not shy away to condemn ukraine for supporting israel and the war on Iran.

    Ok. What punishment should Ukraine face? Note that, considering that those events were much worse than even what the most pro-NATO people claim about Russia's supposed aggression (actually a response to NATO's actions), the punishment should also be worse than what you prescribe for Russia.

    You know that Israel, Russian and the usa are bullshitting when they keep switching the excuse. Decide yourself you invaded Ukraine because of nato, because it host nazis or because you believe ukraine is a fake state and should be russian

    Oh, I do not trust what the Russian government says, and I have criticism of it. What I say is not based on me supposedly believing the claims of the Russian government.

    Again, what should a state do when the most prolific invader in the world (which Egypt is not) starts amassing weapons and troops on that state’s border?
    You are still avoiding answering the question. Should we conclude that you do agree with Russia's actions but do not like that they go against the interests of your empire?

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