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[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 156 points 1 year ago (16 children) Cancel anyway and just use LibreOffice or OnlyOffice... permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (7 children) I struggle with Linux- though I still use it on my Internet machine... But libre office isn't any more difficult that MS office. Also you don't get ransomed for money on a very simple product. I don't understand why people pay for this bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago LibreOffice is available on MacOS and Windows as well I'd argue it is easier to operate than MS office, because the UI doesn't change basically under your cursor with every f*cking update permalink fedilink source parent [–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (5 children) For anyone disliking LibreOffice interface layout, OnlyOffice has very similar tabbed interface as MS Office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Libreoffice has multiple interfaces too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) My.only annoyance is the shortcuts are all.different. My muscle memory for office shortcuts is reinforced at work, too. We can't install third party stuff there, sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS5.1/HTML/GS5114-CustomizingLibreOffice.html To adapt shortcut keys to your needs, use the Customize dialog, as described below. 1)Select Tools > Customize > Keyboard. The Customize dialog opens. 2)To have the shortcut key assignment available in all components of LibreOffice select the LibreOffice button. 3)Next select the required function from the Category and Function lists. 4)Now select the desired shortcut keys in the Shortcut keys list and click the Modify button at the upper right. 5)Click OK to accept the change. Now the chosen shortcut keys will execute the function chosen in step 3 above whenever they are pressed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh, I know. I'm just too lazy to set literally every damn one of 'em. But thanks! It's just an annoyance, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] DV8@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) I've used LibreOffice (or OpenOffice as it was known before), and a problem with this approach is that your family will still constantly ask you to install Office and crack it for them. And those who don't know any better will ask your help to open the PowerPoint their friends keep sending them. Not to mention that LibreOffice doesn't have an easy to integrate backup solution, nor an easy way to share big photo folders, let alone a decent mail client. LibreOffice is a good thing at what it wants to be. But it's not comparable to what MS is offering in the form of a subscription though. You don't just switch and only replace the word and excel alternative... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 99% of home users would do just fine even with Wordpad. But everyone was hooked on MS Office. Even myself. But I was just annoyed chasing new versions and looking for cracks for them. That was years ago when I migrated to EasyOffice which was free alternative. Then came OpenOffice and LibreOffice. Now I'm using OpenOffice because it's less bloated than LibreOffice and just has 3 basic tools, Writer, Spreadsheets and Presentation and that's that. LibreOffice installs bunch of stuff I don't need and there is no way to adjust that during install. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago But none of what you mentioned has a mail server/client nor cloud storage. Do you run your own groupware environment for yourself? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) There are perfectly good open source solutions for all those things. Admittedly, that is going to take more work than just paying the Redmond tax. But you can't have digital sovereignty without putting in some effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) All true, but making 4 other people do this who will also continue to ask on how they can use Office because they need it for work/school is way more work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a great opportunity to get people to take more responsibility for their own digital life. And I know that's an uphill battle but it's also possible to say no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I don't disagree agree that that's technically true. But in practice it's simply not going to happen. My 70 year old mother just wants to use outlook to mail her friends and I've setup het phone to save the pictures she takes of her grandkids (my nieces and nephews) on OneDrive so she can share them easily with the rest of the family. Same thing for my brother and my SiL. For 80 euros a year I get a full groupware experience with no extra work. Is it perfect? Of course not. But even with a higher budget there's no feature for feature alternative. Hell, the chances of getting my work to switch to OSS cloud subscriptions is higher than getting my family to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Time for your own Nextcloud instance. I'm really not trying to be dick here (perhaps unsuccessfully? Sorry.) But If I was the tech support for the family it would be my house, my rules. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AlternatePersonMan@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (7 children) I struggle with Linux- though I still use it on my Internet machine... But libre office isn't any more difficult that MS office. Also you don't get ransomed for money on a very simple product. I don't understand why people pay for this bullshit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago LibreOffice is available on MacOS and Windows as well I'd argue it is easier to operate than MS office, because the UI doesn't change basically under your cursor with every f*cking update permalink fedilink source parent [–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (5 children) For anyone disliking LibreOffice interface layout, OnlyOffice has very similar tabbed interface as MS Office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Libreoffice has multiple interfaces too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) My.only annoyance is the shortcuts are all.different. My muscle memory for office shortcuts is reinforced at work, too. We can't install third party stuff there, sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS5.1/HTML/GS5114-CustomizingLibreOffice.html To adapt shortcut keys to your needs, use the Customize dialog, as described below. 1)Select Tools > Customize > Keyboard. The Customize dialog opens. 2)To have the shortcut key assignment available in all components of LibreOffice select the LibreOffice button. 3)Next select the required function from the Category and Function lists. 4)Now select the desired shortcut keys in the Shortcut keys list and click the Modify button at the upper right. 5)Click OK to accept the change. Now the chosen shortcut keys will execute the function chosen in step 3 above whenever they are pressed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh, I know. I'm just too lazy to set literally every damn one of 'em. But thanks! It's just an annoyance, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago LibreOffice is available on MacOS and Windows as well I'd argue it is easier to operate than MS office, because the UI doesn't change basically under your cursor with every f*cking update permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (5 children) For anyone disliking LibreOffice interface layout, OnlyOffice has very similar tabbed interface as MS Office. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Libreoffice has multiple interfaces too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) My.only annoyance is the shortcuts are all.different. My muscle memory for office shortcuts is reinforced at work, too. We can't install third party stuff there, sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS5.1/HTML/GS5114-CustomizingLibreOffice.html To adapt shortcut keys to your needs, use the Customize dialog, as described below. 1)Select Tools > Customize > Keyboard. The Customize dialog opens. 2)To have the shortcut key assignment available in all components of LibreOffice select the LibreOffice button. 3)Next select the required function from the Category and Function lists. 4)Now select the desired shortcut keys in the Shortcut keys list and click the Modify button at the upper right. 5)Click OK to accept the change. Now the chosen shortcut keys will execute the function chosen in step 3 above whenever they are pressed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh, I know. I'm just too lazy to set literally every damn one of 'em. But thanks! It's just an annoyance, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 year ago* (4 children) Libreoffice has multiple interfaces too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) My.only annoyance is the shortcuts are all.different. My muscle memory for office shortcuts is reinforced at work, too. We can't install third party stuff there, sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS5.1/HTML/GS5114-CustomizingLibreOffice.html To adapt shortcut keys to your needs, use the Customize dialog, as described below. 1)Select Tools > Customize > Keyboard. The Customize dialog opens. 2)To have the shortcut key assignment available in all components of LibreOffice select the LibreOffice button. 3)Next select the required function from the Category and Function lists. 4)Now select the desired shortcut keys in the Shortcut keys list and click the Modify button at the upper right. 5)Click OK to accept the change. Now the chosen shortcut keys will execute the function chosen in step 3 above whenever they are pressed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh, I know. I'm just too lazy to set literally every damn one of 'em. But thanks! It's just an annoyance, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children) My.only annoyance is the shortcuts are all.different. My muscle memory for office shortcuts is reinforced at work, too. We can't install third party stuff there, sadly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS5.1/HTML/GS5114-CustomizingLibreOffice.html To adapt shortcut keys to your needs, use the Customize dialog, as described below. 1)Select Tools > Customize > Keyboard. The Customize dialog opens. 2)To have the shortcut key assignment available in all components of LibreOffice select the LibreOffice button. 3)Next select the required function from the Category and Function lists. 4)Now select the desired shortcut keys in the Shortcut keys list and click the Modify button at the upper right. 5)Click OK to accept the change. Now the chosen shortcut keys will execute the function chosen in step 3 above whenever they are pressed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh, I know. I'm just too lazy to set literally every damn one of 'em. But thanks! It's just an annoyance, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (2 children) https://documentation.libreoffice.org/assets/Uploads/Documentation/en/GS5.1/HTML/GS5114-CustomizingLibreOffice.html To adapt shortcut keys to your needs, use the Customize dialog, as described below. 1)Select Tools > Customize > Keyboard. The Customize dialog opens. 2)To have the shortcut key assignment available in all components of LibreOffice select the LibreOffice button. 3)Next select the required function from the Category and Function lists. 4)Now select the desired shortcut keys in the Shortcut keys list and click the Modify button at the upper right. 5)Click OK to accept the change. Now the chosen shortcut keys will execute the function chosen in step 3 above whenever they are pressed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh, I know. I'm just too lazy to set literally every damn one of 'em. But thanks! It's just an annoyance, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] FinalRemix@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 child) Oh, I know. I'm just too lazy to set literally every damn one of 'em. But thanks! It's just an annoyance, really. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] DV8@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (7 children) I've used LibreOffice (or OpenOffice as it was known before), and a problem with this approach is that your family will still constantly ask you to install Office and crack it for them. And those who don't know any better will ask your help to open the PowerPoint their friends keep sending them. Not to mention that LibreOffice doesn't have an easy to integrate backup solution, nor an easy way to share big photo folders, let alone a decent mail client. LibreOffice is a good thing at what it wants to be. But it's not comparable to what MS is offering in the form of a subscription though. You don't just switch and only replace the word and excel alternative... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 99% of home users would do just fine even with Wordpad. But everyone was hooked on MS Office. Even myself. But I was just annoyed chasing new versions and looking for cracks for them. That was years ago when I migrated to EasyOffice which was free alternative. Then came OpenOffice and LibreOffice. Now I'm using OpenOffice because it's less bloated than LibreOffice and just has 3 basic tools, Writer, Spreadsheets and Presentation and that's that. LibreOffice installs bunch of stuff I don't need and there is no way to adjust that during install. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago But none of what you mentioned has a mail server/client nor cloud storage. Do you run your own groupware environment for yourself? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) There are perfectly good open source solutions for all those things. Admittedly, that is going to take more work than just paying the Redmond tax. But you can't have digital sovereignty without putting in some effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) All true, but making 4 other people do this who will also continue to ask on how they can use Office because they need it for work/school is way more work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a great opportunity to get people to take more responsibility for their own digital life. And I know that's an uphill battle but it's also possible to say no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I don't disagree agree that that's technically true. But in practice it's simply not going to happen. My 70 year old mother just wants to use outlook to mail her friends and I've setup het phone to save the pictures she takes of her grandkids (my nieces and nephews) on OneDrive so she can share them easily with the rest of the family. Same thing for my brother and my SiL. For 80 euros a year I get a full groupware experience with no extra work. Is it perfect? Of course not. But even with a higher budget there's no feature for feature alternative. Hell, the chances of getting my work to switch to OSS cloud subscriptions is higher than getting my family to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Time for your own Nextcloud instance. I'm really not trying to be dick here (perhaps unsuccessfully? Sorry.) But If I was the tech support for the family it would be my house, my rules. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 year ago (1 child) 99% of home users would do just fine even with Wordpad. But everyone was hooked on MS Office. Even myself. But I was just annoyed chasing new versions and looking for cracks for them. That was years ago when I migrated to EasyOffice which was free alternative. Then came OpenOffice and LibreOffice. Now I'm using OpenOffice because it's less bloated than LibreOffice and just has 3 basic tools, Writer, Spreadsheets and Presentation and that's that. LibreOffice installs bunch of stuff I don't need and there is no way to adjust that during install. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago But none of what you mentioned has a mail server/client nor cloud storage. Do you run your own groupware environment for yourself? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DV8@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago But none of what you mentioned has a mail server/client nor cloud storage. Do you run your own groupware environment for yourself? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (4 children) There are perfectly good open source solutions for all those things. Admittedly, that is going to take more work than just paying the Redmond tax. But you can't have digital sovereignty without putting in some effort. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) All true, but making 4 other people do this who will also continue to ask on how they can use Office because they need it for work/school is way more work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a great opportunity to get people to take more responsibility for their own digital life. And I know that's an uphill battle but it's also possible to say no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I don't disagree agree that that's technically true. But in practice it's simply not going to happen. My 70 year old mother just wants to use outlook to mail her friends and I've setup het phone to save the pictures she takes of her grandkids (my nieces and nephews) on OneDrive so she can share them easily with the rest of the family. Same thing for my brother and my SiL. For 80 euros a year I get a full groupware experience with no extra work. Is it perfect? Of course not. But even with a higher budget there's no feature for feature alternative. Hell, the chances of getting my work to switch to OSS cloud subscriptions is higher than getting my family to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Time for your own Nextcloud instance. I'm really not trying to be dick here (perhaps unsuccessfully? Sorry.) But If I was the tech support for the family it would be my house, my rules. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DV8@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (3 children) All true, but making 4 other people do this who will also continue to ask on how they can use Office because they need it for work/school is way more work. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a great opportunity to get people to take more responsibility for their own digital life. And I know that's an uphill battle but it's also possible to say no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I don't disagree agree that that's technically true. But in practice it's simply not going to happen. My 70 year old mother just wants to use outlook to mail her friends and I've setup het phone to save the pictures she takes of her grandkids (my nieces and nephews) on OneDrive so she can share them easily with the rest of the family. Same thing for my brother and my SiL. For 80 euros a year I get a full groupware experience with no extra work. Is it perfect? Of course not. But even with a higher budget there's no feature for feature alternative. Hell, the chances of getting my work to switch to OSS cloud subscriptions is higher than getting my family to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Time for your own Nextcloud instance. I'm really not trying to be dick here (perhaps unsuccessfully? Sorry.) But If I was the tech support for the family it would be my house, my rules. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children) That's a great opportunity to get people to take more responsibility for their own digital life. And I know that's an uphill battle but it's also possible to say no. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DV8@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I don't disagree agree that that's technically true. But in practice it's simply not going to happen. My 70 year old mother just wants to use outlook to mail her friends and I've setup het phone to save the pictures she takes of her grandkids (my nieces and nephews) on OneDrive so she can share them easily with the rest of the family. Same thing for my brother and my SiL. For 80 euros a year I get a full groupware experience with no extra work. Is it perfect? Of course not. But even with a higher budget there's no feature for feature alternative. Hell, the chances of getting my work to switch to OSS cloud subscriptions is higher than getting my family to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Time for your own Nextcloud instance. I'm really not trying to be dick here (perhaps unsuccessfully? Sorry.) But If I was the tech support for the family it would be my house, my rules. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DV8@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 child) I don't disagree agree that that's technically true. But in practice it's simply not going to happen. My 70 year old mother just wants to use outlook to mail her friends and I've setup het phone to save the pictures she takes of her grandkids (my nieces and nephews) on OneDrive so she can share them easily with the rest of the family. Same thing for my brother and my SiL. For 80 euros a year I get a full groupware experience with no extra work. Is it perfect? Of course not. But even with a higher budget there's no feature for feature alternative. Hell, the chances of getting my work to switch to OSS cloud subscriptions is higher than getting my family to do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Time for your own Nextcloud instance. I'm really not trying to be dick here (perhaps unsuccessfully? Sorry.) But If I was the tech support for the family it would be my house, my rules. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago Time for your own Nextcloud instance. I'm really not trying to be dick here (perhaps unsuccessfully? Sorry.) But If I was the tech support for the family it would be my house, my rules. permalink fedilink source parent