For a community that bills itself as

“General discussions about “science” itself

Be sure to also check out these other Fediverse science communities:”

And is full of news articles explaining science, having a biologist explain the science of sex biology is not a right fight for a general science community.

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[+] -17 points 2 months ago (6 children)

My main account used to be on mander, and politics is kinda a general but subtle problem on mander. (I eventually decided not to have a "main" account at all after I realized how much creepy surveillance is on the internet -- little to do with mander's politics.)

Sal tries to prevent the political circus from taking over the instance, but there's a tension because the political circus is increasingly escaping containment and actually effecting people's lives. While I'm not exactly sure what Sal was thinking with this particular incident, I think it's hard to disagree that LGBT has become a part of the political circus and culture war.

Like, let's just lay it out at a very high level: LGBT people, like everyone, are weird. Unlike most other weirdness they're organized and vocal about their weirdness because of a long history of very real persecution. The LGBT community works very hard to "build allies" (make disliking their weirdness socially taboo) because that protects them from further persecution. This is wise in a sense: It's a peaceful mechanism of self defense. The issue is as polarization increases people can become confused about which side is the aggressor -- even if they know overall the LGBT were persecuted, they may view that has historical, or they may think the response is disproportionate, or some other similar view. This frustrates a lot of LGBT people who have personally experienced these persecutions because they know it's not over, LGBT won't be a non-issue anytime in the foreseeable future, and are rather fond of their communities. That said, I think the LGBT community knows it's become a political element. Debatable whether they're political pawns being used to seize power or a political faction in their own right.

I can't tell you whether Sal made the right call or not. I don't know where people should draw the line for apart of politics or not apart of politics, but I don't think it's unreasonable to want to step away from the political circus. Further, dbzer0 certainly doesn't have much room to criticize other instances who choose to moderate their communities, even if you don't fully agree on where to draw the line.

I'd advocate giving @Sal@mander.xyz some grace with these judgements. They're hard to make, and if nothing else @TRAHR@quokk.au is very clearly a very political account who probably shouldn't be posting on mander in the first place.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I am not a “political account”, I am a trans person trying to raise awareness of the challenges and few successes we are having in being able to exist.

    Just as a I post news which can often be political, I also post movies, science, sports, and other content as I find it.

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  • [+] -23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Well, if you don't see how that aspect of yourself could be seen as political, I can see why you don't think you're political, but you're clearly very passionate about a topic that most other people recognize as somewhat political. There's nothing wrong with that in itself, but I think you can see a conflict like this was fairly likely if you're regularly posting indiscriminately with no little knowledge of the instances or communities you're posting in. It's not the end of the world nor is it an attack on you or your passions. You'll either learn to self moderate or choose different communities.

    Now, if you don't mind I'm gonna step away from this conversation before an over eager mod/admin bans my ass.

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 2 months ago

    I posted a highly scientific article written by a scientist in a science community.

    Let us hope they do, maybe you will learn to self moderate in the future.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    While I’m not exactly sure what Sal was thinking with this particular incident, I think it’s hard to disagree that LGBT has become a part of the political circus and culture war.

    of course its part of the culture war and you obviously dont know what you talking about if you think it makes talking about it negative at all unless you are on one of the spectrums advocating against it. also not elaborating on why to label it part of "political circus"?

    The LGBT community works very hard to “build allies” (make disliking their weirdness socially taboo) because that protects them from further persecution. This is wise in a sense: It’s a peaceful mechanism of self defense. The issue is as polarization increases people can become confused about which side is the aggressor

    current status quo in most places trans are being targeted, whats confusing about who is the aggressor part? its more taboo to say you are pro-trans rights in most places than not

    the LGBT community knows it’s become a political element

    due to politicians dangling over in their front how they will control over and what they should a have a right of, its not something it "became" you make it sound like its something recent which you clearly would be ignoring past history

    I can’t tell you whether Sal made the right call or not.

    which is why other people are asking for an official statement coming from Sal, but your whole comment goes around trying to defend what happened based on your definition of "political circus" not established within your comment other than throwing it over at the whole LGBT movement or just trying to avoid using the word trans while being shy to say you think its fair for a minority not affecting others lives other than misinformation being spewed on of them and hateful targetting

    Debatable whether they’re political pawns being used to seize power or a political faction in their own right

    mask slipping off? its fine if you admit you didnt notice the bias you are holding and try to learn from it but breaking down your comment makes it clear your intention whether on purpose or not

    if nothing else @TRAHR@quokk.au is very clearly a very political account who probably shouldn’t be posting on mander in the first place

    ends with calling out the person who is reporting possible power trip for clarity and to see whats going on as in the wrong here simply for being trans, a lot of labels to throw at trans people and not use the word a single time and end your comment with targetting one and labeling them political just for being themselves, the article posted in question was written by actual scientisfs and gone through using the scientific method, it seems perfectly fit for the community it was posted on

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