▲ 84 ▼ Canada Bets Big on Hydro and Wind Power | The country touts plans for what could be North America’s largest-ever clean energy investment, while doubling down on oil. (insideclimatenews.org) submitted 2 months ago by silence7@slrpnk.net to c/climate@slrpnk.net 14 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 9 points 2 months ago (6 children) We got both permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] 24 points 2 months ago* (5 children) The oil needs to stay in the ground though — everywhere, not just in Canada permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 10 points 2 months ago (3 children) Ideally as much oil would remain in the ground as possible going forward, I'd agree. Until that ideal world shows up I'd rather it be us doing the extraction in a country with labour laws and environmental regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] madnificent@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago That sounds like a very reasonable argument but I fear everyone has such an excuse. The other sides have their own arguments. The poor will find it more just that they can get the corresponding funds. The richer without labour laws do not value them and will likely not care about the consequences but will findbthemselves worthy of the corresponding funds. Net result: everyone keeps pumping oil, the price is low, renewables are less attractive. The solution is to "just stop oil" regardless of the merits it has so it becomes increasingly attractive to find alternatives even in tougher sectors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) environmental regulations LOL. Good one. Those toxic "ponds" at Fort Mac are lakes of VOCs. We ruin water and burn gas on every barrel of oil extracted, permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago Fort Mac is surrounded for 500km in every direction by trees, and the fact that tailings ponds exist instead of the tailings simply being dumped directly into the Athabasca is as a direct result of the functioning of environmental regs. Ya dildo permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Unfortunately, countries need to export to game economic numbers. The solution to to oil extraction is curb demand. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] 24 points 2 months ago* (5 children) The oil needs to stay in the ground though — everywhere, not just in Canada permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 10 points 2 months ago (3 children) Ideally as much oil would remain in the ground as possible going forward, I'd agree. Until that ideal world shows up I'd rather it be us doing the extraction in a country with labour laws and environmental regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] madnificent@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago That sounds like a very reasonable argument but I fear everyone has such an excuse. The other sides have their own arguments. The poor will find it more just that they can get the corresponding funds. The richer without labour laws do not value them and will likely not care about the consequences but will findbthemselves worthy of the corresponding funds. Net result: everyone keeps pumping oil, the price is low, renewables are less attractive. The solution is to "just stop oil" regardless of the merits it has so it becomes increasingly attractive to find alternatives even in tougher sectors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) environmental regulations LOL. Good one. Those toxic "ponds" at Fort Mac are lakes of VOCs. We ruin water and burn gas on every barrel of oil extracted, permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago Fort Mac is surrounded for 500km in every direction by trees, and the fact that tailings ponds exist instead of the tailings simply being dumped directly into the Athabasca is as a direct result of the functioning of environmental regs. Ya dildo permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Unfortunately, countries need to export to game economic numbers. The solution to to oil extraction is curb demand. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 10 points 2 months ago (3 children) Ideally as much oil would remain in the ground as possible going forward, I'd agree. Until that ideal world shows up I'd rather it be us doing the extraction in a country with labour laws and environmental regulations permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] madnificent@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago That sounds like a very reasonable argument but I fear everyone has such an excuse. The other sides have their own arguments. The poor will find it more just that they can get the corresponding funds. The richer without labour laws do not value them and will likely not care about the consequences but will findbthemselves worthy of the corresponding funds. Net result: everyone keeps pumping oil, the price is low, renewables are less attractive. The solution is to "just stop oil" regardless of the merits it has so it becomes increasingly attractive to find alternatives even in tougher sectors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) environmental regulations LOL. Good one. Those toxic "ponds" at Fort Mac are lakes of VOCs. We ruin water and burn gas on every barrel of oil extracted, permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago Fort Mac is surrounded for 500km in every direction by trees, and the fact that tailings ponds exist instead of the tailings simply being dumped directly into the Athabasca is as a direct result of the functioning of environmental regs. Ya dildo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] madnificent@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago That sounds like a very reasonable argument but I fear everyone has such an excuse. The other sides have their own arguments. The poor will find it more just that they can get the corresponding funds. The richer without labour laws do not value them and will likely not care about the consequences but will findbthemselves worthy of the corresponding funds. Net result: everyone keeps pumping oil, the price is low, renewables are less attractive. The solution is to "just stop oil" regardless of the merits it has so it becomes increasingly attractive to find alternatives even in tougher sectors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 child) environmental regulations LOL. Good one. Those toxic "ponds" at Fort Mac are lakes of VOCs. We ruin water and burn gas on every barrel of oil extracted, permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago Fort Mac is surrounded for 500km in every direction by trees, and the fact that tailings ponds exist instead of the tailings simply being dumped directly into the Athabasca is as a direct result of the functioning of environmental regs. Ya dildo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheJesusaurus@piefed.ca 4 points 2 months ago Fort Mac is surrounded for 500km in every direction by trees, and the fact that tailings ponds exist instead of the tailings simply being dumped directly into the Athabasca is as a direct result of the functioning of environmental regs. Ya dildo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago Unfortunately, countries need to export to game economic numbers. The solution to to oil extraction is curb demand. permalink fedilink source parent