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[–] 61 points 2 months ago (8 children)

not this again...

sure nuclear WAS fine, french power plants are getting old, can't handle oncoming increasing heatwaves and regularly have major accidents. source (german)

in the age of wind and solar and cheap batteries it is not necessary and much cheaper to build renewables.

also: french nuclear energy is only cheap because it gets heavily subsidized. a kwh of renewables is about 7ct, a kwh of nuclear is in reality about 49ct

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    And France is blocking importing solar energy from Spain. Also France has to do some shenanigans in Africa to secure their uranium supply.

    Sure nuclear is far better than fossil fuels in terms of global warming, but it has similar geopolitical problems to the oil industry. It makes sense to go to solar and wind, but there's a nuclear industry that's doing the same kinds of things the oil industry does to block it.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    french power plants are getting old

    Most of them still have 30+ years of life in them

    can't handle oncoming increasing heatwaves

    Not this again... French nuclear plants has not being stopped because they can't handle heatwaves, that's plain bullshit, but because of ecological precaution, which on top of that, seems to be useless

    and regularly have major accidents

    Also plain bullshit

    source(german)

    That explains a lot of you take your sources from anti-nuclear organizations

    in the age of wind and solar and cheap batteries it is not necessary and much cheaper to build renewables.

    It's not the age of wind and solar. We're still in the age of coal (35% of electricity) and gas (22,5%). If we talk about energy at whole, it's even worse : 30% is petrol, coal 26% and gas 23%. If you think that solar and wind will stay cheap when everybody will compete for the large amounts of metal and other sources needed to build them, and when we will run out of petrol to mine and produce them all, you're lying to yourself. Nuclear in comparison require very little resource to build and to operate them.

    And that's without taking into account a basic fact: we don't have enough room to build enough STEPs and we don't have enough resources to build enough batteries to run entire countries on solar and wind. Looking at costs in 2026 is just meaningless when we're actually talking about science fiction.

    also: french nuclear energy is only cheap because it gets heavily subsidized. a kwh of renewables is about 7ct, a kwh of nuclear is in reality about 49ct

    Another bullshit: EDF has been making billions of benefits out of nuclear every year for decades (except in 2022). They even made 10+ billions of euros of net benefits the last 3 years.

    And EDF is subsidizing France, not the contrary: the State forced EDF to take a huge part of the cost of the Bouclier Tarifaire, and EDF paid billions of euros of dividends to the State as well

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    i'm just trying to be brief: the amount of space for golfing far exceeds what is currently being used for wind and solar combined. Space is not an issue and not a real concern. Every free roof can handle solar panels, it is essentially unused space and it bothers no one.

    Also what's wrong with using an activist site as a source if their information is factual?

    then the heatwave thingy: those "precautions" will happen several times. Rivers are getting so dry that european countries now lifted the sunday-driving ban for trucks because shipping isn't reliable.

    In summers we produce so much electricity that the price per kwh goes negative atp and we actually have to turn off power plants remotely (which is easy to set up, i do this for a living) - if we build enough infrastructure to have overproduction in winters and enough storage we're set.

    idk why people get so defensive and emotional over nuclear if there's just cleaner and cheaper options on hand

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Is this the anti-nuclear talking point now?

    After decades of, "we cannot do it," it's now, "we should have done it before, it's not a good idea anymore"

    Fuck right off

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    What is extra frustrating is I have been hearing "we should have done it before, it’s not a good idea anymore” for literal decades now.

    Best time to build is 10 years ago. Second best time is today.

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