Maybe if people with your ideology only make things that harm you it's an opportunity to reflect.

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[–] 38 points 2 months ago (57 children)

Damn communists! They ruined communism!

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago (37 children)

    Yes you are so smart and above it all. Magic human nature is to blame for everything, people are not products of their material reality at all. We should all just be misanthropic dorks and never try to do anything to better anything while spouting off rightwing idealist nonsense that is observably false.

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  • [+] -20 points 2 months ago (36 children)

    No, I'm just as human as the rest of you. I just don't believe people are capable of communism. Communism always ends with corrupt, power hungry dictators.

    People are not capable of being better, if we were we would have done so by now. Humans have been around for 100,000 years or so, in various forms, so why in all our the known history, have we not been better yet? And why is it at all logical to assume we suddenly could be, despite this?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    You're just reiterating your observably false nonsense. Humans have improved from actual barbarians to slavers to civilised groups. Also "if everyone would just..." is not at all a communist position.

    Also unsure if you realise this or not but you have the same misanthropic ideology of a mass shooter.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (18 children)

    Wow uneven development is not something Marxists have ever studied /s

    I'm sorry but you don't even have the faintest idea of what you're talking about I don't think we can hold a productive conversation. I hope you can educate yourself and move beyond your edgy teenager mass shooter ideology phase.

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    I'm probably twice your age. Over 50 people in my family, that I know of, were killed in the gulags and I grew up hearing about just how great communism was from my Polish family, who lived under communism till 1989.

    I too though had a Marxist phase as a teenager and I so strongly believed people were capable of being better if only they would read Marx and follow his ideas.

    And then I grew the fuck up and stopped believing in magical opposite world realities suddenly coming into fruition.

    Power corrupts and those with power over us will always be corrupted. There is no such thing as a benevolent dictator.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    60+ and still an edgy teenager with a misanthropic mass shooter ideology who speaks with authority on subjects without any study or investigation very impressive. For someone who allegedly read Marx your ability to not understand a single point Marxists make and instead spout off right wing talking points and strawmen is equally impressive.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    There's a reason anecdotal evidence generally isn't worth much. Talking about your experience is great but using it to extrapolate to the sweeping remarks this person is making is dangerous and generally should be avoided.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

    I'd argue that lived experience (material reality) is the only thing that actually matters, and that theory can be confabulated by anyone. edit: again assuming that this person is a real person, not saying that their history is the only one that matters, just that real world lived experience is more important than theory

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Here's another anecdote then. My polish family got saved from the Nazis by the russian army taking Poland, got a university education, the women got to be independent and have their own housing and material security.

    Their religion was suppressed and they were unhappy about that but Polish Catholicism was extremely misogynistic and repressive.

    Oh they also got vaccines and healthcare and shit.

    It was no utopia but they were treated well enough that they regretted moving away for a long time.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    This is difficult to respond to, but I'm going to try anyway.

    I don't think your family's limited prosperity was worth the extermination of the other guy's family. Killing the Nazis is a very low bar for goodness. Americans also killed Nazis, and now look what's happening in the US.

    If you have a bad situation, seeing someone else in a bad situation doesn't make your bad situation better, it just means that there are now two bad situations.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Feel free to believe that but social sciences are a science and there's a reason anecdotal evidence is not valued highly.

    Should we discard all of quantum mechanics because of your lived experience with gravity? Obviously not.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    This is a wildly false comparison, social science theories can't be compared to physics. Now you're just being very silly on purpose.

    I cannot have a lived experience with gravity which is contrary to the existence of gravity. It is literally impossible. Why am I wasting my time explaining this? You know how silly this is.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    They definitely can social science is just as much a science as "hard" sciences and extrapolating anecdotes to make general statements is equally garbage in both fields.

    How much do you know about quantum mechanics and how gravity works differently at that scale and thus the need for an entire new field called quantum gravity?

    Your lived experience of gravity as an attractive force of on earth roughly 9.8m/s^2 would be in direct opposition to quantum gravity

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Holy ad hominems batman, lmao. For someone who also clames to know about logical fallacies, you really don't seem to be doing to well on that front either.

    Well done spelling those big words though!

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You're the one who tried to play the age card to dodge the fact that your worldview is misanthropic garbage based on nothing of substance while you entirely misunderstand Marx and Marxist points then fight those misunderstandings as if they are the points themselves. No Marxist advocates for "if everyone would just..." or benevolent dictators or any of the nonsense you're spewing. I really think we should leave this here.

    I hope you don't commit to your misanthropy too hard and end up on the news.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago

    I grew up hearing about just how great communism was from my Polish family

    And just so we're clear, because at this point my expectations for the people reading this are fairly low, 'great' in this context, is sarcasm.

    As in, they did not actually find living under communism to be 'great'.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    If I lived with your level of cynicism and bleak ass outlook every day I would kill myself, but you've shown us all today that people are capable of going beyond expectations

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Humans have been around for 100,000 years or so, in various forms, so why in all our the known history, have we not been better yet?

    Uhm, for like 95% of that time people have usually been better? There is little opportunity to become a dictator in a small group of hunter and gatherers and anthropological and archiological evidence points to many of these groups having been strongly egalitarian.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Communism always ends with corrupt, power hungry dictators.

    "Communism is bad because " Challenge still ongoing, perfect record.

    Brother, you don't need a specific economic organization to enable authoritarianism. You just need people with determination. You're literally living through a capitalist dictatorship, doing genocide and robbing value from it's people right now, almost no matter where in the world you live.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    We're plagued by those that'd rather let the invicible hand help carry the trickle up to the top rungs of the economic ladder.

    300,000* years, and a lot of that history is lost, but there's probably a lot more you just don't know about. There's a book called the dawn of everything: a new history of humanity by anthropologist David graeber and archeologist David wengrow that challenges the traditional view of human history. They provide evidence that early societies were much more complex than we've been led to believe.

    Why do you seem to think a system beginning in the 16th century and developed in the 18th century would be better than something we could come up with today?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    That book changed so much in my thinking, and made me realize how programmed I've been by post-enlightenment western philosophy. I'd internalized so much of the "progress equals inequality and hierarchies" way of thinking. That book showed me that indeed: "another world is possible". We are not greedy, selfish and violent by nature, we are just the products of the environment we live in and the education we receive. We can be, and have been throughout human history, far better people than we currently are.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Communism always ends with corrupt, power hungry dictators.

    What if head government positions in general are attractive to corrupt, power hungry dictators?

    The Weimar Republic wasn't communist, and it got a corrupt, power hungry dictator.

    The United States isn't communist, and it's dealing with a corrupt, power hungry dictator.

    Israel isn't communist, and it's dealing with a corrupt, power hungry dictator.

    I wonder if maybe there are other factors in play that you aren't considering.

    always

    Always? Are you sure? Let's say there's a corrupt, power hungry person looking for a government spot. How would communism make it easier for the person to get into power, than in a capitalist system?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I think this might be telling on yourself a little bit, because I'm not really greedy or power hungry or prone to corruption, and most of the people I associate with aren't either

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  • [+] -9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, of course, because when I said 'most people' I clearly meant everyone.

    And if you, and most of the people you know, are in positions of power and not shitty people, then you're either a pleasant person with nice friends, or lying. Either way, good for you.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    Having to tell cynics that human nature is influenced by people's conditions of life really gets tiresome, but I guess we'll be doing it until we croak. The idea that human nature is fixed in the way you're suggesting is antithetical to freedom of choice, and in a way, also linear time/historical progression.

    I see you're in the solarpunk server. Did you join to tell everyone that saving the ecosystem is hopeless, and we should accept our imminent extinction?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Ah, the human nature argument.

    More like western elites' nature.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Because only western people are shitty? Or only the western 'elites'? Does being 'elite' from a non western country automatically absolve somebody from this?

    I think I'm also going to need to get you to define 'western' and 'elite' here too.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Hear me out, here: We could tell the greedy fucks to fuck off, and we could make sure everyone nice is taken care of. By force, if necessary. (I mean, after we win elections lawfully with the will and mandate of the people and we enact legislation through proper procedure)

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Hear me out, here: We could tell the greedy fucks to fuck off, and we could make sure everyone nice is taken care of. By force, if necessary. (I mean, after we win elections lawfully with the will and mandate of the people and we enact legislation through proper procedure)

    Oh the irony.

    It's insane how you still believe communism produces leaders who are infallible and uncorruptable, ignoring all the historical mountains of evidence that your side is just as prone to corrupt authoritarian dictatorships as the fascists are.

    You lot really are just itching to run your own concentration camps gulags again, aren't you?

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