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[–] 12 points 2 months ago (21 children)

Most comments complaining about vibe-coding are just butt-hurt programmers who are annoyed that Joe Schmoe can produce a decent looking website in about 20 minutes without having had to waste their formative years nerding out on forums and chasing stray semicolons.

Every time someone on here says "hey, I made a cool (but harmless) interactive tool/map/website" the top comment is always "this looks vibecoded as hell" or "whats with claude.md, asshole?". I'm all for the democratization of the economy so that social welfare, de-growth, environmental regulation and technological caution are rewarded instead of punished- including halting the datacenters and LLM proliferation for a few decades at least. But ya'll sound like professional chefs complaining that the neighbour bought a microwave and a thermomix.. or whining that they pimped out a cake mix instead of baking one from scratch. Just chill and maybe try to be helpful instead.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    As a person who spent many years in the culinary arts field, I can assure you that most professional bakeries use the same mix you can buy at the store, just shipped in 50 pound bags. The difference is that they use butter instead of oil, heavy cream instead of water, more eggs, and brown sugar instead of white.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    The secret is mayonnaise. Use mayonnaise. Been my mom's secret weapon in chocolate cake for years and it comes out super moist.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I love mayo, but this is a horrifying thought. If the secret is mayonnaise then it should stay a secret.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, it shocks most people when they hear it. But if you think further on it, mayo is essentially oil, egg, and an acid, but mainly oil and egg. Cake mix calls for oil and egg, and so you just substitute a dollop of mayonnaise, and it does a better job of oil and egg.

    As far as how much, I have no idea. I'm not a baker. I can cook, but I do not bake.

    And for anyone wondering, you do not taste mayo in the cake, that would be terrible.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I’m not a baker. I can cook, but I do not bake.

    OK, here's my unpopular opinion: cooking and baking aren't that different, and the differences between them are massively overstated. If you can follow a savory meat dish recipe that spends time in the oven, you can make a cake.

    I've worked in restaurants and as a pastry chef. It's all the same fundamentals. People say baking has to be "more precise" and I don't even think that's true. Plenty of savory sauces and meat dishes require just as much, if not more, precision as baking.

    I mean this to be encouraging. I hear from a lot of talented cooks that they don't bake and I'm always like but... you could? You're just inexperienced at it. But a passionate cook is also a passionate baker.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I don't doubt you, I just don't bake. Don't wanna. And I'm fortunate enough that my wife, mother, and mother-in-law all have some baking specials, so don't need to.

    I've definitely heard the whole baking is a science thing, but I tend to treat cooking like that (aka I follow the recipe). So maybe I could bake. But I won't!

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  • [–] 28 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Eeeeh. I disagree. Disclosure: I’m a developer.

    Can AI write code? Yes. In fact I’ll sometimes give it obtuse code I wrote and ask if there’s a way to simplify it, then use that as a jumping board on where I might want to head.

    You know what else it does? Not understand context, or situations it hasn’t been made explicitly aware of.

    I’ve given it plenty of things that it spit back just plainly incorrect or fundamentally altered code. Sometimes it’s just ignoring best security practices, sometimes it’s trying to use a string as an int, sometimes it just makes up “standard” functions that don’t actually exist because someone one said “wouldn’t it be nice is int.ThisFunctionName existed and did specific thing?”

    Anyone shitting on AI for spitting out code is missing the point. Vibe coding is fine for personal projects that never get released to the world, but the moment you’re trying to build a business on top, or want to release it? Vibe coding is downright dangerous. There have been a number of vibe coded websites that were just sitting open for anyone to look at the personal information, because no one who knew what they were doing was involved.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (3 children)

    There have been a number of vibe coded php websites that were just sitting open for anyone to look at the personal information, because no one who knew what they were doing was involved.

    Re-wrote this for you for 2016.

    Just saying, the web has been like this forever. The only thing AI is changing about people building insecure websites with shit code that that they look like someone talked to a designer for 10 seconds before it went up.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    No, that’s quite different. PHP is a language, any language can be made secure so long as it isn’t running client side.

    This is like saying PHP and a script kiddy are equivalent.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I am using PHP as a metaphor. Like, even a script kiddie could get up a working PHP site and it doesn't matter how spaghetti the code is - it will still run.

    Even a vibe coded site can be secured, the language doesn't matter. Shitty sites with terrible security have always and will always exist on the web. AI didn't start this trend and we should not pretend like web development has been like this for years.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    AI didn’t start the trend but it has pushed that change to an extreme. A user who has no concept of security can sling up a nice, polished-looking application and publish it to the web. That was always “possible” but the bar needed to get to the point of publishing was higher, so the chances of pushing insecure code was lower.

    The number of “developers” who literally don’t know how their application works is staggering. I have seen people literally say “I don’t know how it works” of their own project, and that should be terrifying for published code.

    Again, for small diy things it’s whatever. But as a project released into the wild it is, at least currently, irresponsible.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The reason programmers are complaining is because the LLM stole our code to do so.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    LLM stole our code

    Eh Im not so sure, all functions for anything open source or with an API are well documented, if it simply knows literally All the functions and knows how to put them together in a coherent way, then I highly doubt its 'stealing' anyones code.

    Its like AI art, we told AI what a cat looks like by showing it thousands of picture of cats, so now it knows how to draw a cat based on that data. When you ask it to draw a cat its not just pulling one of its thousands of cat pics out and showing it it to you, thats not how it works.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    decent looking

    That's a subjective fucking standard. And the LLMs learned from corporate standards, which are using 6 frameworks and then just adding basic gradients to make it look "fancy".

    chasing stray semicolons

    It's usually not having enough that's a problem? And then you just look at the error, it says " line 12", and you add the damn semicolon. And if it's not on line 12, add on line 11. And then you get used to fucking adding semicolons.

    Try to be helpful

    Good luck maintaining that code

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    "this looks vibe coded" doesn't mean "we don't like your project because it used ai"

    it means "your project for fucking sure does not do what you think it does because you are not a skilled developer enough to understand the code that the AI generated for you"

    to which the counterargument the slopper would throw is "I wrote tests for requirements and the tests are passing"

    how would a slopper know the code generated fits the requirements vs strictly only passes test cases ?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I am Java developer, and I don't understand how exactly JVM works, for example. I'm not sure, how much my app will consume memory and CPU resources. I don't know when garbage collector will do their work. I even don't know what JIT and AOT compilation. And this doesn't prevent me from doing good, effective and useful things. May be they are not the best. Maybe writing them on C or assembler will be more optimized and effective. But anyway, I am OK with that and trying to accept vibe coding same way, as I accept myself and my job.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Difference is that vibe coding doesn't create 20% more CPU usage or 30% more RAM usage because it doesn't understand the underlying mechanics (or, it could but that is not the important part). LLMs will happily provide you with solutions that consists of plain text password storage, leaking personal information through open APIs, and business crushing vulnerabilities. A sharp developer should be able to catch that, but if you're reviewing 5000+ line PRs daily that's been spat out by LLMs it'll be impossible to catch all failures. And for someone who doesn't know all those nonfunctional requirements that a business absolutely must have it'll become a nightmare for the receiver of the code.

    So to be clear: For functional requirements LLMs are a bit better but still needs hand holding. For nonfunctional requirements they're dog shit as that's the part that more often than not has to explicitly be mentioned. And being able to identify nonfunctional requirements and when they're not met is the difference between a junior dev and a 10+ year lead.

    Slow app? Just add resources. Vulnerable app? Actual compliance and business risk.

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