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[–] 12 points 3 months ago (13 children)

Always fun how Americans pronounce "parmesan" as "parmezhan"

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    the original Italian is parmigiano, so a soft g/j sound is actually more accurate than a s/z sound

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Yes on the first point - it's closer to how the Italians pronounce it. But Parmigiano and Parmesan are not the same word.

    The English word "Parmesan" comes from the French word "Parmesan", which is pronounced, you guessed it, with a s/z sound.

    The soft g/j is not more accurate, because it's a different word. It's an over-correction.

    FWIW, the word was in English nearly a whole century before the first British colony in America. It really is a word that existed and folk in America changed the pronunciation of.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I wonder if it came from all the italian immigrants that came over.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Our unique pronunciation comes from Philadelphia, where they use the word "jawn" to mean "thing." They called it "that parma jawn", meaning like "that thing from parma" but the j became a zh over time.

    source: I made it up

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but that's not unique to Americans or even the English language. In German we write it the same (Parmesan) and pronounce a soft s in that place.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    All languages and country have all sorts of different historical names for foreign places or things. And that is fine. Except when Americans do it. Well and Germans calling Barcelona "Bazelona". That's just not okay.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Sorry, haven't seen your reply earlier.

    Well and Germans calling Barcelona "Bazelona".

    Huh? You must have heard someone having no idea what they're talking about. :D

    We write it the same as in Spanish... So we have an r sound in there, but typically we don't roll the r and instead pronounce it like the French. And we'll pronounce Spanish "c" like a sharp S, but there's plenty of Spanish and Latin American people doing the same. I have lived in Bogotá, I'm allowed to do this. :D

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