▲ 741 ▼ Call em out (discuss.online) submitted 3 months ago by VetOfTheSeas@discuss.online to c/whitepeopletwitter@sh.itjust.works 103 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] blockheadjt@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 months ago (6 children) Shame monogamists who shame open relationships permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago Both is good. If you’re poly, you can say that. By bringing a different date from your spouse, you are essentially outing yourself as poly already, you should expect questions if the group you’re doing this with doesn’t know, especially if it’s family you’re close to (I’m assuming they are at least in steady contact, given that they’re having family parties). I can’t really imagine one of my siblings bringing someone other than their spouse to a family party, but I’d have some questions for sure. I also love and trust my siblings, so if they told me their relationship was open, I’d believe them and fully accept their polyamory. I’d probably be confused that they wanted to come out like that, but I wouldn’t have an issue with it. Once enough time had passed for them to be secure that I really accepted them, I’d probably ask why, but I wouldn’t be mad no matter what they said, even if they didn’t want to explain it. If they were cheating on their spouses, I would not accept that, unless they were in a long term abusive situation and trying to escape. Otherwise, I would leave if it weren’t my house and ask them to leave if it were. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iceonfire1@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (1 child) Not all ppl in an open relationship agree on what it is though. Ethical non-monogamy and cheating treat ppl very differently and I reserve my right to shame accordingly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scops@reddthat.com 10 points 3 months ago Who the hell is bringing their DL mistress to a family barbecue? If she's there, there is no stinking way his wife doesn't know about it. If the wife doesn't approve of it then yeah, he's pressing the self destruct button on his marriage and bringing drama into a space it doesn't belong, but I think it's way more likely she knows what's up and is cool with it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 11 points 3 months ago We can extend this out. "If it doesn't involve you, it doesn't require your approval." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) "You just want an open relationship so you have an excuse to cheat!" person who doesn't think about things or understand them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago It’s only cheating if it’s not a part of the plan, whether it’s a relationship or anything else. In go fish, lying about what you have in your hand is cheating. In a closed book exam, using your notes is. Nobody says that people want to play a bluffing game or take an open-book exam because they want to cheat. At most, people will say that someone wants those things because they will perform better under those circumstances, which, while not phrased well, is also true of poly people in monogamous relationships (and very much vice versa- especially for monogamous people who can only conceive of polyamory as cheating), no? It’s not a choice to be polyamorous, and people who are won’t be as fulfilled by a monogamous relationship. That doesn’t mean they’ll cheat on a monogamous partner, because that is a choice (and frankly, I suspect poly people are less likely to cheat than monogamous people because of the emotional work they’ve already done to realize that they’re poly- I only know one poly person who is a serial cheater, and that’s because he refuses to do any of the required emotional labor to make enm work, so he does just continually get into “monogamous” relationships; whereas I know many monogamous people who are currently or were previously serial cheaters). Additionally, just as looking at your opponent’s cards or your classmate’s answers are still cheating in bluffing games and open book tests, dating or romantically/sexually interacting with someone outside of what is agreed upon in a poly relationship is still cheating. Poly people don’t have an excuse to cheat at all, and in fact have a greater responsibility not to, given the larger number of people whose health depends on their transparency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago Both is good. If you’re poly, you can say that. By bringing a different date from your spouse, you are essentially outing yourself as poly already, you should expect questions if the group you’re doing this with doesn’t know, especially if it’s family you’re close to (I’m assuming they are at least in steady contact, given that they’re having family parties). I can’t really imagine one of my siblings bringing someone other than their spouse to a family party, but I’d have some questions for sure. I also love and trust my siblings, so if they told me their relationship was open, I’d believe them and fully accept their polyamory. I’d probably be confused that they wanted to come out like that, but I wouldn’t have an issue with it. Once enough time had passed for them to be secure that I really accepted them, I’d probably ask why, but I wouldn’t be mad no matter what they said, even if they didn’t want to explain it. If they were cheating on their spouses, I would not accept that, unless they were in a long term abusive situation and trying to escape. Otherwise, I would leave if it weren’t my house and ask them to leave if it were. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iceonfire1@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (1 child) Not all ppl in an open relationship agree on what it is though. Ethical non-monogamy and cheating treat ppl very differently and I reserve my right to shame accordingly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scops@reddthat.com 10 points 3 months ago Who the hell is bringing their DL mistress to a family barbecue? If she's there, there is no stinking way his wife doesn't know about it. If the wife doesn't approve of it then yeah, he's pressing the self destruct button on his marriage and bringing drama into a space it doesn't belong, but I think it's way more likely she knows what's up and is cool with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scops@reddthat.com 10 points 3 months ago Who the hell is bringing their DL mistress to a family barbecue? If she's there, there is no stinking way his wife doesn't know about it. If the wife doesn't approve of it then yeah, he's pressing the self destruct button on his marriage and bringing drama into a space it doesn't belong, but I think it's way more likely she knows what's up and is cool with it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 11 points 3 months ago We can extend this out. "If it doesn't involve you, it doesn't require your approval." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago (1 child) "You just want an open relationship so you have an excuse to cheat!" person who doesn't think about things or understand them permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago It’s only cheating if it’s not a part of the plan, whether it’s a relationship or anything else. In go fish, lying about what you have in your hand is cheating. In a closed book exam, using your notes is. Nobody says that people want to play a bluffing game or take an open-book exam because they want to cheat. At most, people will say that someone wants those things because they will perform better under those circumstances, which, while not phrased well, is also true of poly people in monogamous relationships (and very much vice versa- especially for monogamous people who can only conceive of polyamory as cheating), no? It’s not a choice to be polyamorous, and people who are won’t be as fulfilled by a monogamous relationship. That doesn’t mean they’ll cheat on a monogamous partner, because that is a choice (and frankly, I suspect poly people are less likely to cheat than monogamous people because of the emotional work they’ve already done to realize that they’re poly- I only know one poly person who is a serial cheater, and that’s because he refuses to do any of the required emotional labor to make enm work, so he does just continually get into “monogamous” relationships; whereas I know many monogamous people who are currently or were previously serial cheaters). Additionally, just as looking at your opponent’s cards or your classmate’s answers are still cheating in bluffing games and open book tests, dating or romantically/sexually interacting with someone outside of what is agreed upon in a poly relationship is still cheating. Poly people don’t have an excuse to cheat at all, and in fact have a greater responsibility not to, given the larger number of people whose health depends on their transparency. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago It’s only cheating if it’s not a part of the plan, whether it’s a relationship or anything else. In go fish, lying about what you have in your hand is cheating. In a closed book exam, using your notes is. Nobody says that people want to play a bluffing game or take an open-book exam because they want to cheat. At most, people will say that someone wants those things because they will perform better under those circumstances, which, while not phrased well, is also true of poly people in monogamous relationships (and very much vice versa- especially for monogamous people who can only conceive of polyamory as cheating), no? It’s not a choice to be polyamorous, and people who are won’t be as fulfilled by a monogamous relationship. That doesn’t mean they’ll cheat on a monogamous partner, because that is a choice (and frankly, I suspect poly people are less likely to cheat than monogamous people because of the emotional work they’ve already done to realize that they’re poly- I only know one poly person who is a serial cheater, and that’s because he refuses to do any of the required emotional labor to make enm work, so he does just continually get into “monogamous” relationships; whereas I know many monogamous people who are currently or were previously serial cheaters). Additionally, just as looking at your opponent’s cards or your classmate’s answers are still cheating in bluffing games and open book tests, dating or romantically/sexually interacting with someone outside of what is agreed upon in a poly relationship is still cheating. Poly people don’t have an excuse to cheat at all, and in fact have a greater responsibility not to, given the larger number of people whose health depends on their transparency. permalink fedilink source parent