▲ 124 ▼ Christopher Nolan Calls Out "A Real Problem" In Amateur Film Criticism: "To Be Able To Identify The Mechanism Does Not Invalidate The Mechanism" Discussion (deadline.com) submitted 3 months ago by TheImpressiveX@piefed.social to c/movies@piefed.social 61 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Ilandar@lemmy.today 65 points 3 months ago (14 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] eighty@aussie.zone 13 points 3 months ago (3 children) You touch upon something I've been struggling with - is this film intended for the "broad-strokes" introductory audience or more experienced filmheads? His interviews always seem to imply he wants it both ways. Praise his films on anything remotely artistic and profound and he'll readily take credit. Critique and it's "a technical film", that can only be enjoyed in IMAX. I want to love this film (I did find it entertaining and worth a watch) but felt nothing. Brother, this all could have been avoided if you just got someone else to write instead of your ego. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Ilandar@lemmy.today 17 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 3 months ago as is the case with nearly all of his films bar maybe the very early ones The cut off is pretty much when he stopped collaborating with Jonathan Nolan on the script. Jonathan and Christopher split up after Interstellar where Jonathan went on to write for TV shows starting with Westworld. Don't get me wrong, Christopher Nolan is quite capable of making movies by himself, but there still was a quality loss in the writing after Interstellar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] StillAlive@piefed.world 1 point 3 months ago There is a sort of critical mass with the reception of art where at a certain point it no longer needs to be great to be remembered as great. This is why I sometimes think that 'better' and 'great' are two distinct adjectives. Were there better bands than 'The Beatles' but they never reached the popularity? Maybe. But were there greater bands than 'The Beatles'? I don't think so. I can't even name most of their albums yet I'm aware of their impact on the popular culture. Any other band you name as counter is going to be a band that was massively popular (Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd or Queen) too. Another example I can give is of tremendously two Indian movies 'Sholay' and 'Deewar'. Both released in 1975, both have Amitabh Bacchan in leading role, both written by the duo Salim - Javed. In my opinion, 'Deewar' is a better movie by any metric yet it isn't anywhere close to 'Sholay' when it comes to popularity or influence. The latter was a juggernaut. Anyway, it's past midnight here and I'm wondering if I've made any good point in this rambling. permalink fedilink source parent [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 months ago (4 children) Yeah it's like saying "oh this musician is using smaller intervals in their chorus to make it easier to sing, LAME". "They added sugar to their tomato sauce because the restaurant is in a location where they have to use canned tomatoes, WEAK" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) What's this about needing added sugar for canned tomatoes? I've never heard that before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) it's to take out the bitterness, but bicarb works better and doesn't add sugar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago How does that work? Bicarb will neutralise acid, i.e. sour flavours, but sour is a desirable flavour in a tomato. And bicarb is itself bitter if it doesn't react. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (4 children) I loathe the sort of discourse I see about movies these days. The same trite stuff is always repeated. And it feels like a large percentage of it flows from shitty online sources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Ilandar@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KokoSabreScruffy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago CinemaSins are indeed intended as humour with some valid criticism/praise here and there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago I mean, that was my issue with South Park and political stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cherry@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago Yeh because everyone sees themselves as a 'brand' and with that comes internet points and possibly sponsorship. Its not passion driving what they do, its commercialization pushing them to be something special amongst a sea of mediocrity....So gotta to scream or complain louder. Its not unfair to have personal pet peeves esp about tropes, or to air them, but building a cult around it is a bit extreme. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eighty@aussie.zone 13 points 3 months ago (3 children) You touch upon something I've been struggling with - is this film intended for the "broad-strokes" introductory audience or more experienced filmheads? His interviews always seem to imply he wants it both ways. Praise his films on anything remotely artistic and profound and he'll readily take credit. Critique and it's "a technical film", that can only be enjoyed in IMAX. I want to love this film (I did find it entertaining and worth a watch) but felt nothing. Brother, this all could have been avoided if you just got someone else to write instead of your ego. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] Ilandar@lemmy.today 17 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 3 months ago as is the case with nearly all of his films bar maybe the very early ones The cut off is pretty much when he stopped collaborating with Jonathan Nolan on the script. Jonathan and Christopher split up after Interstellar where Jonathan went on to write for TV shows starting with Westworld. Don't get me wrong, Christopher Nolan is quite capable of making movies by himself, but there still was a quality loss in the writing after Interstellar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] StillAlive@piefed.world 1 point 3 months ago There is a sort of critical mass with the reception of art where at a certain point it no longer needs to be great to be remembered as great. This is why I sometimes think that 'better' and 'great' are two distinct adjectives. Were there better bands than 'The Beatles' but they never reached the popularity? Maybe. But were there greater bands than 'The Beatles'? I don't think so. I can't even name most of their albums yet I'm aware of their impact on the popular culture. Any other band you name as counter is going to be a band that was massively popular (Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd or Queen) too. Another example I can give is of tremendously two Indian movies 'Sholay' and 'Deewar'. Both released in 1975, both have Amitabh Bacchan in leading role, both written by the duo Salim - Javed. In my opinion, 'Deewar' is a better movie by any metric yet it isn't anywhere close to 'Sholay' when it comes to popularity or influence. The latter was a juggernaut. Anyway, it's past midnight here and I'm wondering if I've made any good point in this rambling. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ilandar@lemmy.today 17 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 3 months ago as is the case with nearly all of his films bar maybe the very early ones The cut off is pretty much when he stopped collaborating with Jonathan Nolan on the script. Jonathan and Christopher split up after Interstellar where Jonathan went on to write for TV shows starting with Westworld. Don't get me wrong, Christopher Nolan is quite capable of making movies by himself, but there still was a quality loss in the writing after Interstellar. permalink fedilink source parent [–] StillAlive@piefed.world 1 point 3 months ago There is a sort of critical mass with the reception of art where at a certain point it no longer needs to be great to be remembered as great. This is why I sometimes think that 'better' and 'great' are two distinct adjectives. Were there better bands than 'The Beatles' but they never reached the popularity? Maybe. But were there greater bands than 'The Beatles'? I don't think so. I can't even name most of their albums yet I'm aware of their impact on the popular culture. Any other band you name as counter is going to be a band that was massively popular (Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd or Queen) too. Another example I can give is of tremendously two Indian movies 'Sholay' and 'Deewar'. Both released in 1975, both have Amitabh Bacchan in leading role, both written by the duo Salim - Javed. In my opinion, 'Deewar' is a better movie by any metric yet it isn't anywhere close to 'Sholay' when it comes to popularity or influence. The latter was a juggernaut. Anyway, it's past midnight here and I'm wondering if I've made any good point in this rambling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 4 points 3 months ago as is the case with nearly all of his films bar maybe the very early ones The cut off is pretty much when he stopped collaborating with Jonathan Nolan on the script. Jonathan and Christopher split up after Interstellar where Jonathan went on to write for TV shows starting with Westworld. Don't get me wrong, Christopher Nolan is quite capable of making movies by himself, but there still was a quality loss in the writing after Interstellar. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] StillAlive@piefed.world 1 point 3 months ago There is a sort of critical mass with the reception of art where at a certain point it no longer needs to be great to be remembered as great. This is why I sometimes think that 'better' and 'great' are two distinct adjectives. Were there better bands than 'The Beatles' but they never reached the popularity? Maybe. But were there greater bands than 'The Beatles'? I don't think so. I can't even name most of their albums yet I'm aware of their impact on the popular culture. Any other band you name as counter is going to be a band that was massively popular (Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd or Queen) too. Another example I can give is of tremendously two Indian movies 'Sholay' and 'Deewar'. Both released in 1975, both have Amitabh Bacchan in leading role, both written by the duo Salim - Javed. In my opinion, 'Deewar' is a better movie by any metric yet it isn't anywhere close to 'Sholay' when it comes to popularity or influence. The latter was a juggernaut. Anyway, it's past midnight here and I'm wondering if I've made any good point in this rambling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 months ago (4 children) Yeah it's like saying "oh this musician is using smaller intervals in their chorus to make it easier to sing, LAME". "They added sugar to their tomato sauce because the restaurant is in a location where they have to use canned tomatoes, WEAK" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) What's this about needing added sugar for canned tomatoes? I've never heard that before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) it's to take out the bitterness, but bicarb works better and doesn't add sugar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago How does that work? Bicarb will neutralise acid, i.e. sour flavours, but sour is a desirable flavour in a tomato. And bicarb is itself bitter if it doesn't react. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 months ago (2 children) What's this about needing added sugar for canned tomatoes? I've never heard that before. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) it's to take out the bitterness, but bicarb works better and doesn't add sugar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago How does that work? Bicarb will neutralise acid, i.e. sour flavours, but sour is a desirable flavour in a tomato. And bicarb is itself bitter if it doesn't react. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago (1 child) it's to take out the bitterness, but bicarb works better and doesn't add sugar. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago How does that work? Bicarb will neutralise acid, i.e. sour flavours, but sour is a desirable flavour in a tomato. And bicarb is itself bitter if it doesn't react. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 6 points 3 months ago How does that work? Bicarb will neutralise acid, i.e. sour flavours, but sour is a desirable flavour in a tomato. And bicarb is itself bitter if it doesn't react. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago* (4 children) I loathe the sort of discourse I see about movies these days. The same trite stuff is always repeated. And it feels like a large percentage of it flows from shitty online sources. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Ilandar@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KokoSabreScruffy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago CinemaSins are indeed intended as humour with some valid criticism/praise here and there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago I mean, that was my issue with South Park and political stuff. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cherry@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago Yeh because everyone sees themselves as a 'brand' and with that comes internet points and possibly sponsorship. Its not passion driving what they do, its commercialization pushing them to be something special amongst a sea of mediocrity....So gotta to scream or complain louder. Its not unfair to have personal pet peeves esp about tropes, or to air them, but building a cult around it is a bit extreme. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Ilandar@lemmy.today 4 points 3 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] KokoSabreScruffy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago CinemaSins are indeed intended as humour with some valid criticism/praise here and there. permalink fedilink source parent [–] lobut@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago I mean, that was my issue with South Park and political stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KokoSabreScruffy@lemmy.world 1 point 3 months ago CinemaSins are indeed intended as humour with some valid criticism/praise here and there. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 1 point 3 months ago I mean, that was my issue with South Park and political stuff. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cherry@piefed.social 1 point 3 months ago Yeh because everyone sees themselves as a 'brand' and with that comes internet points and possibly sponsorship. Its not passion driving what they do, its commercialization pushing them to be something special amongst a sea of mediocrity....So gotta to scream or complain louder. Its not unfair to have personal pet peeves esp about tropes, or to air them, but building a cult around it is a bit extreme. permalink fedilink source parent